Root had always been with Feist when I was working there on Polaris. There was also Cokin and Ness, as well as some others. We all worked out of the same room. I guess Root left when he started GWIN, but for all I know they were still working out of the same building.
I guess we can bitch about these guys all we want, but someone is buying thie product.
I guess we can bitch about these guys all we want, but someone is buying thie product.
stuckinvegas said:
Stuck, do you know Mike Lowe who was with Gary Austin in the beginning and later helped start a company called Pointspread Inc? He was a great guy and I spent 2 weeks with him in LV at the beginning of 1980. Good softball player to boot. I have lost track of him. Thanks, LT
No I really didn't, unless he was a tall guy with glasses that sat across from me. I believe his name was Mike. Next to me was a former Marine to one side, and a avid fisherman who went to Lake Mead all the time.
They would play this loud rock music all the time in the background...why I don't know....and they had a "spotter" hidden behind one way glass who watched everything you did. They wanted NO plays to leave the building when you left. They recorded everything on your outgoing calls to prospective clients. They also had one phone where you could make outgoing calls if you wanted and I'm sure it was "tapped"! Guess they wanted to see who went to the phone when the plays were given out so they could bust them.
You could work for 30 days without having a solicitor license. After that you either had to put up or shut up and get a license that cost $100. All they cared about was getting a persons credit card number. But one thing good I can say about them is that they never lied to a client since they were regulated by the state of NV. If a person asked you what was your record, you had no idea since we weren't allowed to keep records.
I'm almost happy to say I never sold a thing as those on the lower end of the totem pole got these IBM print outs of former clients and those that called the scorephones. As you might have guessed, the veterans there got the best leads and call ins from the Pro Line show.
I know when I was there Feist..who I worked for....hit the NFL Pre season game of the year.
They would play this loud rock music all the time in the background...why I don't know....and they had a "spotter" hidden behind one way glass who watched everything you did. They wanted NO plays to leave the building when you left. They recorded everything on your outgoing calls to prospective clients. They also had one phone where you could make outgoing calls if you wanted and I'm sure it was "tapped"! Guess they wanted to see who went to the phone when the plays were given out so they could bust them.
You could work for 30 days without having a solicitor license. After that you either had to put up or shut up and get a license that cost $100. All they cared about was getting a persons credit card number. But one thing good I can say about them is that they never lied to a client since they were regulated by the state of NV. If a person asked you what was your record, you had no idea since we weren't allowed to keep records.
I'm almost happy to say I never sold a thing as those on the lower end of the totem pole got these IBM print outs of former clients and those that called the scorephones. As you might have guessed, the veterans there got the best leads and call ins from the Pro Line show.
I know when I was there Feist..who I worked for....hit the NFL Pre season game of the year.
LOVE this quote:
"GWIN Chairman & CEO Wayne Allyn Root said of the deal, "I am thrilled and honored to announce this deal. Jim Feist and I are two of the most recognizable names in sports handicapping history. Between us we have the highest profile sports handicapping shows on American television"
yes - yes you are the 2 most recognizable names - but what you are recognized for - especially you - Scamdicapper Wayne - is NOT a good thing. Wayne Root is pure scum de la scum and ANYONE dumb enough to fall for this con artists bullsh*t DESERVES to get scammed
btw - can't see Cokin sticking around under the new (mis)management. i don't know for sure but it won't shock me to see Cokin go out on his one (once again). he has more ethics and intergrity in his pinkie than Wayne Root has in his body - times 10. cokin treats people with respect - Root would push them in front of the bus so fast people would never know the bus hit them
"GWIN Chairman & CEO Wayne Allyn Root said of the deal, "I am thrilled and honored to announce this deal. Jim Feist and I are two of the most recognizable names in sports handicapping history. Between us we have the highest profile sports handicapping shows on American television"
yes - yes you are the 2 most recognizable names - but what you are recognized for - especially you - Scamdicapper Wayne - is NOT a good thing. Wayne Root is pure scum de la scum and ANYONE dumb enough to fall for this con artists bullsh*t DESERVES to get scammed
btw - can't see Cokin sticking around under the new (mis)management. i don't know for sure but it won't shock me to see Cokin go out on his one (once again). he has more ethics and intergrity in his pinkie than Wayne Root has in his body - times 10. cokin treats people with respect - Root would push them in front of the bus so fast people would never know the bus hit them
I could be wrong but I thought these 2 were somehow connected like 15 yrs ago when I first saw their ads on the back of Street and Smith or the like. Do you remember a few years back when Root was doing the talk show route as a new age motivational speaker? What a hoot! How many toadies got suckered back then? This guy clearly has no shame. Or morals or ethics or soul, all about the $$$$ - the ultimate con artist
honzie said:
You are right - Root used to work under the Heist umbrella several years ago. The funny thing in all this is Feist HATES Root - and now - this comes along
Root loves to tell everyone how he is on these TV shows to make it sound like the shows want him on because they want to have an expert on
What Root FAILS to mention is the ONLY reason he is on these shows is because he BUYS the time to appear - so he is paying the station/network - NOT the other way around - something Wayne-o never seems to mention - geez - wonder why
I have busted Root too many times for this site and if people don't know already this guy is a World Class SCAM artist in all he does - they deserve to be taken - and they WILL get taken - BIG TIME!
This was pretty inevitable. Root's company is practically bankrupt at 4 cents a share. Feist's company is probably not doing much better. By merging, they can probably share expenses and try to survive.
If anything for us, hopefully it means half the boiler room calls from their reps for a while.
If anything for us, hopefully it means half the boiler room calls from their reps for a while.
winky I'd like to know how you acquire all your knowledge about Wayne Root? Have you EVER bought his picks or one of his services, or are you just mouthing off about something you hear repeated from other unknowledgable people?
I watched Root from the first time he was on FNN giving out selections with Jimmy the Greek and that douchebag from Maryland. BUT, he did hit for over 60% for three years straight...DOCUMENTED.....on the air picks. His first book had some very, very good information for the sports bettor!
From what I remember from his picks when I worked for Feist, his were the only ones that I would actually bet, and he did fairly well.
So I'd like to know why you have this hatred for him? Can you back up his scamming with some facts? I mean do you have evidence that he went 1-13 while claiming he was 12-2? Let's see some evidence of his scamming before you label him as such.
I watched Root from the first time he was on FNN giving out selections with Jimmy the Greek and that douchebag from Maryland. BUT, he did hit for over 60% for three years straight...DOCUMENTED.....on the air picks. His first book had some very, very good information for the sports bettor!
From what I remember from his picks when I worked for Feist, his were the only ones that I would actually bet, and he did fairly well.
So I'd like to know why you have this hatred for him? Can you back up his scamming with some facts? I mean do you have evidence that he went 1-13 while claiming he was 12-2? Let's see some evidence of his scamming before you label him as such.
stuckinvegas said:
For years, winkyduck has been the expert on here at busting touts for what they are. So what he says goes.
As far as Root, he has his good runs here and there. I also thought his Zen of Gambling book was pretty good. But he went on some monstrously bad stretches last year also. Literally 2-20 over a couple of weeks as I remember with basketball and football. In the NFL, he once went 0-8 on a weekend this past season. He even lost his "Game of the Decade" play. And he'll still be on TV the next week with some new gimmick to get people calling despite these horrible stretches.
Root's Record
Root did do well on his picks on T.V. for a few years. He must not done well with specific clubs because he would never mention individual clubs. Funny how the free picks for a while did much better than the picks clients were paying for. Did he ever hit 60% in a year? I highly doubt it. He is monitored by The Sports Monitor out of Oklahoma but he has 8-9 different clubs. They only list his clubs that hit above 52% and the most I could ever find in an individual sport was about 4 per sport. I know he bombed this football and basketball season and would say by looking at the different clubs and results he's about 47-48% in all sports combined over the last 5 years. He's a contrarian, so when dogs have a good year he is probably in the 50-55% range. He must have hit rock bottom to get invloved with his past boss, Jim Feist, who by the way he sued when he left. My best guess is Feist will have the last laugh when it's all over.
uppy:
Root did do well on his picks on T.V. for a few years. He must not done well with specific clubs because he would never mention individual clubs. Funny how the free picks for a while did much better than the picks clients were paying for. Did he ever hit 60% in a year? I highly doubt it. He is monitored by The Sports Monitor out of Oklahoma but he has 8-9 different clubs. They only list his clubs that hit above 52% and the most I could ever find in an individual sport was about 4 per sport. I know he bombed this football and basketball season and would say by looking at the different clubs and results he's about 47-48% in all sports combined over the last 5 years. He's a contrarian, so when dogs have a good year he is probably in the 50-55% range. He must have hit rock bottom to get invloved with his past boss, Jim Feist, who by the way he sued when he left. My best guess is Feist will have the last laugh when it's all over.
uppy:The amazing thing about Root's company is that it made $5.5 million last year! That is a lot of scamming ... obviously someone is buying thier picks ...
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=GWNI.OB&annual
... cant help but think someone has to be buying their garbage picks year after year ... must be a batch of 'new' suckers every year or do these idiots keep coming back for more?
So I guess while we can constantly bash him here cant help but marvel at the fact that his company is making millions ... and I am sure Wayne is making sure he gets his share ...
Guess theres one born every minute.
O.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=GWNI.OB&annual
... cant help but think someone has to be buying their garbage picks year after year ... must be a batch of 'new' suckers every year or do these idiots keep coming back for more?
So I guess while we can constantly bash him here cant help but marvel at the fact that his company is making millions ... and I am sure Wayne is making sure he gets his share ...
Guess theres one born every minute.
O.
Income And Expenses
Root and GWNI does bring in between 4-6 million every year. Probably 80-90% is from the handicapping fees.The other fees come from shows, I mean flops like King of Vegas, his books that he wrote but almost nobody read and other various deals that are short term and almost always fizzle out within a year of there creation.What they don't tell you but you can figure out by looking at the numbers that they report being a public company is they spend 5-7 million to produce and buy time on T.V. and radio. The company won't ever make a nice profit because Root and Douglas Miller take huge salaries. No one calls these companies in mine and most people's opinion to sign up without a come on or an add. Look at his record. It's no better or worse than the over 1,000 handicappers around the country. The reason he's well known is he buys time to be on all these different venues and he has an ego bigger than Barry Bonds. Bonds finally is being brought down to his knees. Could it be just a matter of time until Root implodes?
Root and GWNI does bring in between 4-6 million every year. Probably 80-90% is from the handicapping fees.The other fees come from shows, I mean flops like King of Vegas, his books that he wrote but almost nobody read and other various deals that are short term and almost always fizzle out within a year of there creation.What they don't tell you but you can figure out by looking at the numbers that they report being a public company is they spend 5-7 million to produce and buy time on T.V. and radio. The company won't ever make a nice profit because Root and Douglas Miller take huge salaries. No one calls these companies in mine and most people's opinion to sign up without a come on or an add. Look at his record. It's no better or worse than the over 1,000 handicappers around the country. The reason he's well known is he buys time to be on all these different venues and he has an ego bigger than Barry Bonds. Bonds finally is being brought down to his knees. Could it be just a matter of time until Root implodes?
stuckinvegas said:
ElJefe is right - i have busted him twice and know what a scumbag he is. he is a liar and cheat and crook and ALWAYS says one thing then does something else. he will tell you about his great winners - but NEVER that he had an overall losing day/week. i also know people who know him and who i trust and they have told me stories about him - stories i 100% believe
now - you want proof of what kind of loser he is - fine - here ya go - 2 times i called and busted him. in case you aren't aware of what i do - simple. whenever he comes on the radio or whatever and says he has some FREEEEEE NO OBLIGATION Games of the...... i take down that number then go to a pay phone (so this f*cker doesn't have my home number and so he won't call me 10,000 times - or sell my number to someone who will and bug the hell out of me forever - and so much so i need to get a new number) and pretend to be a "normal" potential customer calling to take advantage of his "great" offer. i write down EVERYTHING the salesperson says then come back here and post what was said on the site for all to read. this guy is FIRST CLASS "SCUM DE LA SCUM" - one of the BIGGEST LIARS out there
Wayne Root is (in)famous for signing up for a monitoring service - having a GREAT first week or two then NEVER submitting another play the rest of the season so he can then say he was the BEST Capper for that site's monitoring service hitting 67% of his games - not telling you that in reality he was 4-2 and then stopped picking - meaning he was only +1.8 unit for the season while someone who picked 100 games and went 57-42 and "only" 57% finished the season +10.8 units which even you can see is a MUCH better season than Wayne-o had
want proof - here ya go - 2 calls i made to Root's office after hearing offers of FREEEEEE games and all. you might find this hard to believe - but i NEVER got what was promised - i know - hard to believe!
This one was my fave - John is such a lying bastard i could smell the SH*T coming out of his mouth. at least make your lies SOMEWHAT believable John: http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=164179&highlight=wayne+root
Then i called again and got Tony: http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=120635&highlight=wayne+root
OK, Jefe - you have now read what i have done to Root (admittedly both are hard to read with symbols and all in there that weren't in the original post) and really there is only ONE conclusion to reach - unless you are drawing a paycheck from Root or you are the scumbag Root himself. if you are Wayne Root - F*CK YOU LOSER!
