Bagwell was good enough to start in the World Series, Astros insurance claim DENIED!

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Thi was the question I was asking last week...

"How can a player start in the World Series then be 'physically unable to perform the following season'?

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Claim -DENIED!

The 37-year-old Bagwell will begin the season on the disabled list and acknowledged Saturday he might never play again.


But Ty Buthod, a partner for the Houston law firm Baker Botts and an outside attorney for Connecticut General Life Insurance Company, said Monday that the Astros were told a few weeks ago that their claim would be denied.

"The Astros took the position that Bagwell was totally disabled in January 2006 even though he played in September and October 2005," he said. "Connecticut General determined that there had been no adverse change in Mr. Bagwell's condition between the end of last season and the date the policy terminated on Jan. 31, 2006."

Buthod also noted that Bagwell's position in the contract was listed as "professional baseball player-non-pitcher."

"He was certainly able to perform in that occupation at the end of 2005," Buthod said.

The Astros, however, are not giving up. Wayne Fisher, an attorney for the team, said he would give the insurance company two weeks to reconsider.
"It will go to court if they don't change their position very shortly," Fisher told The Associated Press.

Fisher said Dr. James Andrews in Birmingham, Ala., deemed on Jan. 12 that Bagwell was "totally disabled to play baseball."

"For a lawyer who has 45 years of experience in this kind of thing -- big, gigantic shock, an insurance company doesn't want to pay," Fisher said.

Bagwell, perhaps the best hitter and most popular player in franchise history, missed 115 games last season following shoulder surgery but returned in time to play for Houston in the postseason. He was limited to duty as a pinch-hitter and designated hitter in the World Series against the Chicago White Sox.
He went 1-for-8 in the Series with an RBI.
 

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Astros will sue and get their $$
 

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Probably...But Max, don't you think it's a little odd he was able to play in the WS last fall?

Was Astros management penciling in Bagwell because of lifetime acheivement, I sure hope not.?

I know they didn't have much else on the bench to DH anyway.
 

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Was Astros management penciling in Bagwell because of lifetime acheivement, I sure hope not.?

I know they didn't have much else on the bench to DH anyway.

I dont find it odd at all...He wanted to be part of the WS last year and the only was able to DH or PH for them. Did not play at all in the field.

He was given the opportunity to play this year if he could but the Astrops filed the claim knowing that he might not be able to pay. Thats what insurance is...JMO
 

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What Bagwell needs to do is retire and quit being a wellfare recepiant!!! This is one of the most selfish things I have ever seen in baseball. He is hurting his team bigtime!!!! He does not need the money. The Astros could really use his money to sign the Rocket.
 

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What Bagwell needs to do is retire and quit being a wellfare recepiant!!! This is one of the most selfish things I have ever seen in baseball. He is hurting his team bigtime!!!! He does not need the money. The Astros could really use his money to sign the Rocket.
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Well it was only the World Series....

I guess having a broken down player batting in the heart of the order, who was technically no longer 'able to perform as a baseball player' in the franchises most important games, ok then.

Pulease!
 

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CHOPTALK said:
What Bagwell needs to do is retire and quit being a wellfare recepiant!!! This is one of the most selfish things I have ever seen in baseball. He is hurting his team bigtime!!!! He does not need the money. The Astros could really use his money to sign the Rocket.

He gets his money either way.
 

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He gets his money either way.

Not if you retire before the contract runs out. This is the only thing in the CBA that prevents a garenteed contract from being garenteed.

Do you think that If Arod would have retired the day after his 10Year $252 million deal he would have gotten paid? Hell no!!!!!!

Retirement eliminates any deal even if its garenteed.

If the Astros cut him its garenteed, but not if the he retires.
 

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Of course he won't retire early....baseball players essentially have guaranteed contracts.

Look at Albert Belle, he walked away with 3 years left, and was still paid by Baltimore.

Name one guy who retired and gave back his money...I'm not sure if any MLB player ever has.

Lyman Bostock had a bad year , his first with the California Angels and offered to give back his pay, that is the only one I recall.
 

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Of course he won't retire early....baseball players essentially have guaranteed contracts.

Look at Albert Belle, he walked away with 3 years left, and was still paid by Baltimore.

Name one guy who retired and gave back his money...I'm not sure if any MLB player ever has.

Lyman Bostock had a bad year , his first with the California Angels and offered to give back his pay, that is the only one I recall.
Pretty sure that Albert Belle left a lot of money on the table by retiring. I think I remember sportscasters talking about what a noble thing it was to do, since he gave up guaranteed money by walking away. Maybe they still gave him some of it, but I'm almost positive that he didn't get anywhere close to all of it. Bagwell should do the same. He's got more than he'll ever spend, and he cannot earn his money this year. Just walk away.
 

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In fact he was paid for almost 3 full seasons after he 'retired' totalling approx 36 million dollars.

Are you kidding me Albert Belle give money back?
 

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Albert Belle was paid in full by Baltimore....it was a very big deal here.
Okay, well at least he gave them the option, since he knew he wasn't worth the money anymore. Retire, Bagwell.
 

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I did find this just now of of ESPN site.

2. Albert Belle, Baltimore Orioles (282 letters)

Albert Belle is gone from baseball, but his salary is not forgotten.
At one time, he was a force in the game ... now he's just an expensive paper weight.
Tom Powers
Buffalo, N.Y.

As is pointed out in ESPN The Magazine's "Bargain Belles" article, Albert Belle is still being paid $12,368,790, some 3 years later, while enjoying official retirement. When you can put together a 25-man roster with nine or 10 All-Stars on it that still costs $3 million or so less than Belle's salary, it's hard to argue that he's not the most overpaid player in baseball !
 

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Journeyman said:
I did find this just now of of ESPN site.

2. Albert Belle, Baltimore Orioles (282 letters)

Albert Belle is gone from baseball, but his salary is not forgotten.
At one time, he was a force in the game ... now he's just an expensive paper weight.
Tom Powers
Buffalo, N.Y.

As is pointed out in ESPN The Magazine's "Bargain Belles" article, Albert Belle is still being paid $12,368,790, some 3 years later, while enjoying official retirement. When you can put together a 25-man roster with nine or 10 All-Stars on it that still costs $3 million or so less than Belle's salary, it's hard to argue that he's not the most overpaid player in baseball !
Did he have any deferred money that is making up some of those payments? I really thought he gave up some to retire. But I could be wrong.
 

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Bagwell needs to retire and give up the $$...
 

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Belle was paid in full for 3 years after his injury, but the Orioles were reimbursed by insurance for that..

The thing that hurt most in that case was keeping him on the 40-man roster, which meant exposing more people than neccesary to the Rule 5 draft
 

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Belle was paid in full for 3 years after his injury, but the Orioles were reimbursed by insurance for that..

The thing that hurt most in that case was keeping him on the 40-man roster, which meant exposing more people than neccesary to the Rule 5 draft

The Orioles recouped $27.3 million of the $36 million of Belle's guaranteed contract from the insurance policy....very few companies will even insure players anymore.

Belle collected his entire 36 million owed.
 

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Of course he won't retire early....baseball players essentially have guaranteed contracts.

Look at Albert Belle, he walked away with 3 years left, and was still paid by Baltimore.

Name one guy who retired and gave back his money...I'm not sure if any MLB player ever has.

Lyman Bostock had a bad year , his first with the California Angels and offered to give back his pay, that is the only one I recall.


Mark Mcgwire. He had a 2 year 30 mil dollar contract st louis wanted him to sign and agter his last crappy year he left it on the table.

Bagwell played in the WS as a DH. There is no DH in the NL. He can not play the field. Typical insurance company bullshit.

If you think he doesnt need the money (which he doesnt) then how bad do you think a super rich owner needs it?
Bagwell is one of the few baseball players who is not an arrogent prick, is a team player and treat fans great.
 

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