The stupidity of MLB managing, as enumerated by Michael Kay

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I've complained about this in the past, but it frustrates me nonetheless every single damn time I see it.

Top of the 9th, tie game, Yanks threatening to break it open. Two relievers warming up for the Yanks, the incomporable Mariano, and the man who's as good as the part of the body suggested by his last name, Scott Proctor.

Kay announces what every baseball fan takes for granted, but is ridiculously stupid: if the Yanks take the lead, Mariano will come in. If it remains tied, Proctor will pitch.

The first part makes sense. If you take a lead, you want to bring in your best to nail it down. But why in the hell would you bring Scott Proctor in if the game is tied? Scott Proctor, and pitchers of his ilk, are to be used in games in which you are either up or down 10 runs. Why would you bring in a scrub like Proctor in a game-deciding situation?

Kay pointed out that the A's had their closer (and their best reliever) pitching in the 9th, even though the game was tied. The brilliant reason proferred by Kay? As the home team, if you're tied in the 9th, you'll never have the opportunity to get your closer (or anyone else) into a save situation. True enough. But isn't the point of baseball, or any team sport, to win the game? Isn't the win/loss record of the team supposed to trump consideration for individuals' statistics? If so, who gives a crap whether using your closer in a non-save situation in the 9th (or any other inning) will prevent him from being usable in a save situation that may or may not come up later? If he's your best shot to shut down the other team and win (and closers become closers because they're usually the team's most dominant, shut-down reliever) how in the world can you justify not putting him in?

The astounding thing is that every manager in baseball manages this way. Nobody does it any differently. It makes you long for the days before the Save was an official rule, and managers brought in the best, most appropriate pitchers for given situations rather than bring pitchers into situations that best serve their stats. Managers should manage to win, not to serve their players' stats.

One solution might be for the 'Hold' to become an official stat. If Holds were official, and were deemed as desirable and valuable (read: middle relievers made big bucks based on their number of holds, just as closers get for saves) then maybe managers wouldn't object to bringing their best pitchers in to the most important moments of the game, irrespective of the inning. I would imagine that as many games are won and lost in the 7th inning as are lost in the 9th. Yet in a bases-loaded, tie game situation with no outs and the offense's best hitter coming up, the defensive manager will NEVER bring in his best reliever, unless it's the 8th or 9th inning. Does that make sense?

So aggravating to watch.
 

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See it happen all the time. Remember reading an article a while that basically stated exactly what you just did. The only situation in sports where stats are put ahead of wins/losses by the coach. Managers are in love with the save stat for some reason (they associate it with wins?). Another thing if its a 3 run game going into the 9th the closer will come in to get the save. But if you had an insurance run and make it a 4 run game then the closer usually wont come in even if he was already warming up.
 

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I had Oakland, thank you Joe.

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Managing sports is not rocket science, and these guys all make mistakes.
Clock management, using timeouts, when to go for two in FB or three in BB, Taking out hot players at the wrong time, when to play for one run or when to play for a big inning, go for a first down, punt or kick a 50 yard FG?
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You would think they would think and plan for every situation ahead of time, but they don't or they wouldn't make soo many dumb decisions. There are a few coaches in every sport that just get it done time and time again, but most don't.

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extreme example. Game seven 2004 alcs. early in the game when Brown loaded the bases and Damon was coming up,Torre pulled him and brought in Vasquez. disgruntled yankees fan next to me in right field starts groaning proclaiming this is the time for Rivera. Fake an injury to let him warm up or something. And he was absolutely right. That at bat was the game. Gotta have your best out there.
 

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Torre is infamous for making these bonehead decisions. Proctor shouldnt even be on a freaking team and he throws him in there with a tie game bottom of the 9th! He babies his players too much>>>he should have kept Farnsworth in there for at least another inning rather than throwing in the towel by pitching Proctor...but he doesnt wanna tire his poor players out.Awww! Screw them>>theyre making plenty of $$$ to be playing every stinking day, tired or not.
 

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Opening day Bucs-Brewers

TERRIBLE job by Jim Tracy. He let Oliver Perez hit with the bases loaded and 2 outs in the top of the 5th (Bucs leading 2-1) and then pulls him after facing 2 batters in the next half inning!!! The first guy struck out then the 2nd guy struck out but advanced to first on a passed ball and then Tracy pulls him. If you are gonna pull him after 10 pitches then you HAVE TO pinch hit for him in the top of the inning. Cant waste a bases loaded opporunity like that. If you are going to let him hit then you have to let him pitch to more than 2 batters.

Today Cle-Sox game 3-2 Sox in the 8th. Cle 4-5-6 hitters coming up and Guillen throws out a stone cold rookie to try and hold the lead instead of going with multiple better options (Politte, Cotts). Of course the rook gives up a homer and they end up losing the game.

I swear I don't know what these managers are thinking sometimes. You see all the time.
 

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