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:nohead: :nohead: thats like playing a hand of Crackjack only it takes a LONGGGGGGGG time to lose ..good luckensign_lee said:...with a $66.67 bet!
I bet on the Houston Texans to win Superbowl XLI at +15000 and now they're at +10238.
I feel special. :thumbsup2:Go Texans!
WOOOH!
I like the bet...they had similar odds to the 49ers and one other team that have no chance at being competitive.
The Texans were not far off from a playoff caliber team last year. With their additions on the OLine and with Carr finally getting some weapons around him, this team is dangerous. When you get those kind of odds on a team that should make the playoffs, that is a great find.
The Texans were not far off from a playoff caliber team last year. With their additions on the OLine and with Carr finally getting some weapons around him, this team is dangerous. When you get those kind of odds on a team that should make the playoffs, that is a great find.
Clip Joint said:
You kidding? Nothing about them is playoff caliber.
They have no offensive or defensive line and wasting a pick on Reggie Bush when they already have one of the game's best young RBs will only hurt the further development of this team.
I'd love to hear how a team that had the worst record in the league was not that far off from being "playoff caliber" and "should make the playoffs".
They have good guys at skill positions but a strong offensive line and defense is what wins games.
Texans may get the #1 pick again next year if they take Bush. They haven't done anywhere near enough to be considered for the playoffs in my opinion.
Then again, maybe the NFL will instruct the refs to give the Texans a lil help so they can showcase Reggie Bush, their new crown-jewel.
Anyway, explain to me what you are seeing. I'm seeing a good QB, good RB, and a good WR but almost nothing else beyond that.
BC-Eagles said:
Hahah I wonder if books still get action on the Knicks to win it all despite them being eliminated from playoff contention. I've met quite a few NY homers.
For what it's worth, I have a Utah Jazz to win the NBA championship future at about 30-1 that's looking pretty square right now.
David Carr is a great QB that had no time to throw last season because of the terrible offensive line play. He has yet to be surrounded by skill players that give him a chance to be successful. He has never had any weapons or a running game.
Having a healthy Andre Johnson and Eric Moulds will make a huge difference in the passing game. But without an offensive line, they will obviously struggle. That is the key to almost any offense.
Carr was sacked 68 times last season...yes, 68. But even though he had no weapons and a terrible offensive line, he took care of the football. He threw 14 TDs with only 11 picks. Throwing only 11 picks while having no line, no running game, no weapons, and playing from behind every game is an amazing stat. I think he will have a break out year.
Domanick Davis is a decent back, but he is not in the same league as Reggie Bush. Davis ran behind a pathetic offensive line so his 2 rushing TDs are not his fault, but Bush will make more big plays both running the ball and as a receiver out of the backfield.
Kubiak is a great offensive coach that will add a scheme to their offense. The Texans had 2 of the worst offensive coordinators in the NFL run the offense last season.
As I said before, the offensive line is the key. They have added Mike Flanagan from Green Bay which is a huge upgrade. I also think they will add 1-2 more via draft/trade. Kubiak knows they need to protect and establish a running game for the skill players to be a factor.
Defensively, they are not bad. They were on the field the entire game last season. An improved offense will improve their defense right away.
They have also added solid depth on defense and picked up a starter at LB in Sam Cowart from Minnesota. They picked up 2 solid DEs in Anthony Weaver from Baltimore and N.D. Kalu from Philadelphia.
This team lost to Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Jacksonville twice, and Indianapolis twice...but at the end of the season, they were vastly improved. They finished the last 5 games going 1-4 but lost 3 games by 3 points or less and easily could have gone 4-1.
They play in the same division as Indianapolis and Jacksonville which means they will be fighting for a Wild Card spot if they can make a run at the playoffs. But I really think this team has everything in place with or without Bush. Trading down and picking up 2-3 offensive lineman on draft day would make a lot of sense, but passing up on Bush could be one of those moves that gets talked about for years to come. He is a special player.
Having a healthy Andre Johnson and Eric Moulds will make a huge difference in the passing game. But without an offensive line, they will obviously struggle. That is the key to almost any offense.
Carr was sacked 68 times last season...yes, 68. But even though he had no weapons and a terrible offensive line, he took care of the football. He threw 14 TDs with only 11 picks. Throwing only 11 picks while having no line, no running game, no weapons, and playing from behind every game is an amazing stat. I think he will have a break out year.
Domanick Davis is a decent back, but he is not in the same league as Reggie Bush. Davis ran behind a pathetic offensive line so his 2 rushing TDs are not his fault, but Bush will make more big plays both running the ball and as a receiver out of the backfield.
Kubiak is a great offensive coach that will add a scheme to their offense. The Texans had 2 of the worst offensive coordinators in the NFL run the offense last season.
As I said before, the offensive line is the key. They have added Mike Flanagan from Green Bay which is a huge upgrade. I also think they will add 1-2 more via draft/trade. Kubiak knows they need to protect and establish a running game for the skill players to be a factor.
Defensively, they are not bad. They were on the field the entire game last season. An improved offense will improve their defense right away.
They have also added solid depth on defense and picked up a starter at LB in Sam Cowart from Minnesota. They picked up 2 solid DEs in Anthony Weaver from Baltimore and N.D. Kalu from Philadelphia.
This team lost to Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Jacksonville twice, and Indianapolis twice...but at the end of the season, they were vastly improved. They finished the last 5 games going 1-4 but lost 3 games by 3 points or less and easily could have gone 4-1.
They play in the same division as Indianapolis and Jacksonville which means they will be fighting for a Wild Card spot if they can make a run at the playoffs. But I really think this team has everything in place with or without Bush. Trading down and picking up 2-3 offensive lineman on draft day would make a lot of sense, but passing up on Bush could be one of those moves that gets talked about for years to come. He is a special player.
I'll agree with you part way. There is no way that anyone should be calling David Carr great. I understand his troubles are caused by the fact that he has no time to throw due to a poor offensive line, but he hasn't shown anything that would make me believe he was above average when he does have time.
Also, he had a running game last year. Domanick Davis was gettin 4 yards a pop but the Texans had to abandon the run quite a bit because passing was their only option to come back in the game. When that happened, Carr got rushed and threw picks.
Andre Johnson is one of my favorite NFL WRs in the game and Moulds will be a quality #2 guy for them, that I definately agree with you on. The problem is that all the skilled WRs in the game won't help them if Carr is tackled after his second "Hut Hut".
Carr's ratio was good last season but Domanick Davis might be the best pass-catching RB in the league. When he had guys on him, he'd dump it off. That helped his ratio quite a bit. If Domanick Davis were Jerome Bettis, Carr's wouldn't have the luxury of the dump off to a skilled RB. That is another reason why Reggie Bush would be a bad pick for a team that needs everything except skill position guys.
I agree with you on Kubiak. The guy will eventually get that offense turned around and the Texans are a nice fit since he turned the Broncos into a quality running team despite having small, untalented guards. His running schemes looked good there, but I'm interested to see if he can do it as the main man without Shanahan around.
Good call on an improving offense picking up the defensive slack, but one guy doesn't fix the league's worst line. Flanagan is good but not a stud by any means. He'll upgrade the line but all he's doing is plugging 1 hole in a swiss cheese boat. He won't stop the sucker from sinking although he'll make it a slower sink. I honestly don't think you can count on that defense to be anything but in the bottom 10 once again. Carr will still have guys on top of him like the last few years.
Cowart's good but seems to have issues with staying healthy. Kalu is decent. I think Weaver will help the D more than anyone else this year. The Texans had very little push last season and got dominated up front on D.
These guys really need to find a way to get D'Brickshaw Ferguson and another pick for Reggie Bush. They have a RB. They need line help to be effective.
They have to choose whether they want to be an exciting last place team or an average improving team. Getting a RB when you have a guy who catches and runs already isn't the way to build a franchise.
I see no way they can get into the playoffs or even come close.
Let's look at their schedule... here are my predictions:
Philly: 24-17 Philly. 0-1
@Indy: 34-17 Indy. 0-2
Wash: 23-10 Wash. 0-3
Miami: 20-17 Houston. 1-3
bye
@Dallas: 23-13 Dallas. 1-4
Jax: 20-17 Houston. 2-4
@Ten: 20-13 Ten. 2-5
@NYG: 31-23 NYG. 2-6
@Jax: 20-7 Jax. 2-7
Buffalo: 20-17 Houston. 3-7
@NYJ: 20-17 OT NYJ. 3-8
@Oak: 30-24 Houston. 4-8
Ten: 23-10 Houston. 5-8
@NE: 27-13 NE. 5-9
Indy: 41-20 Indy. 5-10
Cle: 20-7 Cle. 5-11
5-11 looks about as good as it gets.
Also, he had a running game last year. Domanick Davis was gettin 4 yards a pop but the Texans had to abandon the run quite a bit because passing was their only option to come back in the game. When that happened, Carr got rushed and threw picks.
Andre Johnson is one of my favorite NFL WRs in the game and Moulds will be a quality #2 guy for them, that I definately agree with you on. The problem is that all the skilled WRs in the game won't help them if Carr is tackled after his second "Hut Hut".
Carr's ratio was good last season but Domanick Davis might be the best pass-catching RB in the league. When he had guys on him, he'd dump it off. That helped his ratio quite a bit. If Domanick Davis were Jerome Bettis, Carr's wouldn't have the luxury of the dump off to a skilled RB. That is another reason why Reggie Bush would be a bad pick for a team that needs everything except skill position guys.
I agree with you on Kubiak. The guy will eventually get that offense turned around and the Texans are a nice fit since he turned the Broncos into a quality running team despite having small, untalented guards. His running schemes looked good there, but I'm interested to see if he can do it as the main man without Shanahan around.
Good call on an improving offense picking up the defensive slack, but one guy doesn't fix the league's worst line. Flanagan is good but not a stud by any means. He'll upgrade the line but all he's doing is plugging 1 hole in a swiss cheese boat. He won't stop the sucker from sinking although he'll make it a slower sink. I honestly don't think you can count on that defense to be anything but in the bottom 10 once again. Carr will still have guys on top of him like the last few years.
Cowart's good but seems to have issues with staying healthy. Kalu is decent. I think Weaver will help the D more than anyone else this year. The Texans had very little push last season and got dominated up front on D.
These guys really need to find a way to get D'Brickshaw Ferguson and another pick for Reggie Bush. They have a RB. They need line help to be effective.
They have to choose whether they want to be an exciting last place team or an average improving team. Getting a RB when you have a guy who catches and runs already isn't the way to build a franchise.
I see no way they can get into the playoffs or even come close.
Let's look at their schedule... here are my predictions:
Philly: 24-17 Philly. 0-1
@Indy: 34-17 Indy. 0-2
Wash: 23-10 Wash. 0-3
Miami: 20-17 Houston. 1-3
bye
@Dallas: 23-13 Dallas. 1-4
Jax: 20-17 Houston. 2-4
@Ten: 20-13 Ten. 2-5
@NYG: 31-23 NYG. 2-6
@Jax: 20-7 Jax. 2-7
Buffalo: 20-17 Houston. 3-7
@NYJ: 20-17 OT NYJ. 3-8
@Oak: 30-24 Houston. 4-8
Ten: 23-10 Houston. 5-8
@NE: 27-13 NE. 5-9
Indy: 41-20 Indy. 5-10
Cle: 20-7 Cle. 5-11
5-11 looks about as good as it gets.
You are putting an awful lot of stock in 5'9" Domanick Davis...I wouldn't count on him as my every down back for an entire NFL season. I think he will be a great 3rd down back. He will be a solid #2 tailback.
I can't imagine banking on him to carry the ball 20 times a game for 16 games. Even worse, what if he goes down as your #1 back? You are going to turn to Jonathon Wells?
As far as being a great receiver and target for car, I wouldn't go that far. He caught 39 balls.
Carr only threw 11 picks the entire season. That is incredible. I think your assessment of him getting pressured and throwing picks is way off. 11 picks while playing from behind, with no line, and no receivers. That is an amazing stat.
The offensive line was brutal...but so was the scheme. Kubiak will be able to hide some of their weaknesses a lot better than the 2 idiots they had running the offense last season.
As for the line, Flanagan is a huge pick up. You only play with 5 lineman. That is 20% of the line problems solved right there. As I said, I still think they will pick up 2 more lineman either in the draft or via trade.
Their defense was not that bad. They were 1-6 when holding their opponents to 22 points or less. That is just brutal offense. They play Indianapolis twice which never helps your defensive numbers.
That defense was good enough to win last year with a decent offense. They will be vastly improved this season with an adequate offense and a lot more depth on defense.
I may be partial to Carr after watching him in person at Fresno State. He has all the tools. Quarterback success in the NFL has a lot to do with the QB's skill, but more to do with your supporting cast and scheme. He has NEVER had a decent team around him. He was drafted to start this franchise. No one has even seen what he can do yet. I think this season will be his first chance to actually play QB in the NFL. But if they don't address the offensive line some more, it will be the same old story. It wouldn't matter what QB was back there.
The playoffs will be difficult after looking at their schedule for this season. I feel that if they played their same schedule from last season again this year, they would be in.
The key will be the first 6 games. I think they can go 4-2 and if they do, they can ride that momentum and steal a game or two later in the schedule that under sub .500 circumstances they won't even care about playing.
I think they can steal the 1st game at home against Philly, they will lose to Indy, and then games 3, 4, and 5 will tell a lot about the team. I think Game 5 after a bye week at Dallas will be a pivotal game.
I can't imagine banking on him to carry the ball 20 times a game for 16 games. Even worse, what if he goes down as your #1 back? You are going to turn to Jonathon Wells?
As far as being a great receiver and target for car, I wouldn't go that far. He caught 39 balls.
Carr only threw 11 picks the entire season. That is incredible. I think your assessment of him getting pressured and throwing picks is way off. 11 picks while playing from behind, with no line, and no receivers. That is an amazing stat.
The offensive line was brutal...but so was the scheme. Kubiak will be able to hide some of their weaknesses a lot better than the 2 idiots they had running the offense last season.
As for the line, Flanagan is a huge pick up. You only play with 5 lineman. That is 20% of the line problems solved right there. As I said, I still think they will pick up 2 more lineman either in the draft or via trade.
Their defense was not that bad. They were 1-6 when holding their opponents to 22 points or less. That is just brutal offense. They play Indianapolis twice which never helps your defensive numbers.
That defense was good enough to win last year with a decent offense. They will be vastly improved this season with an adequate offense and a lot more depth on defense.
I may be partial to Carr after watching him in person at Fresno State. He has all the tools. Quarterback success in the NFL has a lot to do with the QB's skill, but more to do with your supporting cast and scheme. He has NEVER had a decent team around him. He was drafted to start this franchise. No one has even seen what he can do yet. I think this season will be his first chance to actually play QB in the NFL. But if they don't address the offensive line some more, it will be the same old story. It wouldn't matter what QB was back there.
The playoffs will be difficult after looking at their schedule for this season. I feel that if they played their same schedule from last season again this year, they would be in.
The key will be the first 6 games. I think they can go 4-2 and if they do, they can ride that momentum and steal a game or two later in the schedule that under sub .500 circumstances they won't even care about playing.
I think they can steal the 1st game at home against Philly, they will lose to Indy, and then games 3, 4, and 5 will tell a lot about the team. I think Game 5 after a bye week at Dallas will be a pivotal game.
