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I have always felt that the main reason some of our best handicappers keep their wisdom to themselves is because there is always the flak given out by some posters when their picks don't win ! It's like the handicapper personally has just cost them a lot of $$. I will give an example. On 1460 radio here in Vegas, John Kelly hosts the Leroys Sports show. On Wednesday preceeding the Masters tournament, John has on this golf expert that is reported to be the best golf handicapper in the business. He sells his picks but He gives out a few of his best picks on the air for free probably to get us interested in his picks in the future. Well I bite and take his main picks. He loved Fred Couples over Lee Westwood ! He also liked Tom Lehman over Maruyama Shigeki. On the props side He liked the over 65.5 for lowest scores as well as the over for the total winning total of winner. He was an easy winner on the first 2 matchups and He appears to be looking great on the other 2 prop bets. Why do I mention this ? Mainly because I want to bring forward the fact that when posters criticize a fellow poster if their picks go awry, it discourages them from ever posting their picks again.
I have read plenty of posts where handicappers are criticized for not keeping their seasonal totals or whatever ! It's just my opinion but We have some great handicappers here and We should do everything possible to encourage them to share their picks and knowledge. However We should also keep in mind that having picks go awry is all part of the business. jmho:toast:
 

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Picks are one thing, guarantees just show a budding tout or a fool.

BTW, congrats on a real sharp year posting. :drink:
 

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I have always felt that the main reason some of our best handicappers keep their wisdom to themselves is because there is always the flak given out by some posters when their picks don't win ! It's like the handicapper personally has just cost them a lot of $$. I will give an example. On 1460 radio here in Vegas, John Kelly hosts the Leroys Sports show. On Wednesday preceeding the Masters tournament, John has on this golf expert that is reported to be the best golf handicapper in the business. He sells his picks but He gives out a few of his best picks on the air for free probably to get us interested in his picks in the future. Well I bite and take his main picks. He loved Fred Couples over Lee Westwood ! He also liked Tom Lehman over Maruyama Shigeki. On the props side He liked the over 65.5 for lowest scores as well as the over for the total winning total of winner. He was an easy winner on the first 2 matchups and He appears to be looking great on the other 2 prop bets. Why do I mention this ? Mainly because I want to bring forward the fact that when posters criticize a fellow poster if their picks go awry, it discourages them from ever posting their picks again.
I have read plenty of posts where handicappers are criticized for not keeping their seasonal totals or whatever ! It's just my opinion but We have some great handicappers here and We should do everything possible to encourage them to share their picks and knowledge. However We should also keep in mind that having picks go awry is all part of the business. jmho:toast:


Great post! :103631605
 

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Accurate and honest records should be a requirement. There is no other way to tell if someone is a good capper. There are a lot of people that can talk a good game and give a great reason for making a pick, but in the end, it is the results that are all that matter.
 

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kermit16 said:
I have always felt that the main reason some of our best handicappers keep their wisdom to themselves is because there is always the flak given out by some posters when their picks don't win ! It's like the handicapper personally has just cost them a lot of $$. I will give an example. On 1460 radio here in Vegas, John Kelly hosts the Leroys Sports show. On Wednesday preceeding the Masters tournament, John has on this golf expert that is reported to be the best golf handicapper in the business. He sells his picks but He gives out a few of his best picks on the air for free probably to get us interested in his picks in the future. Well I bite and take his main picks. He loved Fred Couples over Lee Westwood ! He also liked Tom Lehman over Maruyama Shigeki. On the props side He liked the over 65.5 for lowest scores as well as the over for the total winning total of winner. He was an easy winner on the first 2 matchups and He appears to be looking great on the other 2 prop bets. Why do I mention this ? Mainly because I want to bring forward the fact that when posters criticize a fellow poster if their picks go awry, it discourages them from ever posting their picks again.
I have read plenty of posts where handicappers are criticized for not keeping their seasonal totals or whatever ! It's just my opinion but We have some great handicappers here and We should do everything possible to encourage them to share their picks and knowledge. However We should also keep in mind that having picks go awry is all part of the business. jmho:toast:

I could not agree more! Post of the year right there!
 

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Accurate and honest records should be a requirement. There is no other way to tell if someone is a good capper. There are a lot of people that can talk a good game and give a great reason for making a pick, but in the end, it is the results that are all that matter.
I have to disagree with you on this one ! It is not a requirement for anyone to keep track of their records. If it means so much to you... then you keep track ! It's only in contests that accurate records should be kept. I know that ACE ACE is a great handicapper and He has made us all a lot of $$. Let's encourage handicappers to share their knowledge... not burden them with " Prove to me that you are good ".
 

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kermit16 said:
"Prove to me that you are good".

How else would you know?

There are plenty of sports fans that can talk about the game and make a pick. That does not make them a good handicapper.

The only thing that matters in betting/handicapping is long term results. Results are the only thing that matter.

Just my opinion.
 

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kermit16 said:
I have always felt that the main reason some of our best handicappers keep their wisdom to themselves is because there is always the flak given out by some posters when their picks don't win ! It's like the handicapper personally has just cost them a lot of $$. I will give an example. On 1460 radio here in Vegas, John Kelly hosts the Leroys Sports show. On Wednesday preceeding the Masters tournament, John has on this golf expert that is reported to be the best golf handicapper in the business. He sells his picks but He gives out a few of his best picks on the air for free probably to get us interested in his picks in the future. Well I bite and take his main picks. He loved Fred Couples over Lee Westwood ! He also liked Tom Lehman over Maruyama Shigeki. On the props side He liked the over 65.5 for lowest scores as well as the over for the total winning total of winner. He was an easy winner on the first 2 matchups and He appears to be looking great on the other 2 prop bets. Why do I mention this ? Mainly because I want to bring forward the fact that when posters criticize a fellow poster if their picks go awry, it discourages them from ever posting their picks again.
I have read plenty of posts where handicappers are criticized for not keeping their seasonal totals or whatever ! It's just my opinion but We have some great handicappers here and We should do everything possible to encourage them to share their picks and knowledge. However We should also keep in mind that having picks go awry is all part of the business. jmho:toast:




Kermit, you are dead on. As you know and ALL experienced cappers know, you will LOSE 40% of your plays even if you are a genius. It is hard to expose yourself to bashers when you fail to win the large majority of your plays. In my own experience, it took me 2 years to start posting some of my plays. Since I have had such few plays posted, I have been lucky that I have not had any bashers or stalkers. Eventually they will appear. You have to have a tough skin and believe that over all you will help more people than you hurt. It also seems like the newer posters that have no idea what goes into being successful in this endeavor are the ones that might complain. It will be interesting to see how this topic plays out. Thanks, Kermit. LT:103631605
 

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Precisely why I have started to have all my plays monitored and tracked in the tracker forum.........because with the selections that I give it they will sooner or later go into a 10+ game losing streak but will be able to redeem myself with past records which hopefully reflects an overall winning ledger.
 

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Create A Signiture???

Is That Possible?? On My Other Boards, I Have My Record Posted At The Bottom. Lot Easier To Update That Once A Day Rather Than Posting The Record For Every Individual Post
 

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Precisely why I have started to have all my plays monitored and tracked in the tracker forum.........because with the selections that I give it they will sooner or later go into a 10+ game losing skid but will be able to redeem myself with past records which hopefully reflets an overall winning ledger.

To me, this is how visitors and posters are able to figure out who to follow.

Unfortunately, the guys that pound their chest and post false records (or short term success) are the ones that a newbie or recreational gambler will follow.

The only way to make money as a bettor is long term results with discipline.

I also think this site should make it easier to track results. Not many real handicappers are going to take the time to not only post all of their plays, but have to go back in and grade them themselves as well.
 

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Fishhead said:
Precisely why I have started to have all my plays monitored and tracked in the tracker forum.........because with the selections that I give it they will sooner or later go into a 10+ game losing streak but will be able to redeem myself with past records which hopefully reflects an overall winning ledger.

Please note by the way, there are TONS of better handicappers on this site that release selections and/or have them monitored.

If following my selections, would strictly use my opinions as a guide to perhaps get one off a game here and there more than actually taking the bull by the horns and playing them blindly...........modestly speaking, do guarantee more winners than losers longterm.......however small that percentage is.
 

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Kermit, I am by no means a great handicapper or anything to that extent. Nonetheless I provide some interesting information every once in a while that I can get my hands on....like the Utah steam play on the over 185 yersterday.... I was posting wiseguy action before but I got just about steamed myself, skinned, stoned, etc by the group of posters that does just about nothing but make fun of others because those plays went 0-3 one day. With that experience, it makes it very difficult for someone to want to come up and say hey guys, take a look at this...
 

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Kermit, I am by no means a great handicapper or anything to that extent. Nonetheless I provide some interesting information every once in a while that I can get my hands on....like the Utah steam play on the over 185 yersterday.... I was posting wiseguy action before but I got just about steamed myself, skinned, stoned, etc by the group of posters that does just about nothing but make fun of others because those plays went 0-3 one day. With that experience, it makes it very difficult for someone to want to come up and say hey guys, take a look at this...
Slim,
Your opinion is always one that I pay special attention to ! You are one of the handicappers that I was speaking to as I encourage you to share your knowledge with us more. Nobody is forcing anyone to put down their hard earned $$ on anyone's picks. However I welcome your comments and picks nontheless ! Keep up the good work my friend.

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Kermit:

Excellent thread. From personal experience, I can tell you that when I post a play, because I feel responsible to the forum, there is an adherent pressure that goes along with it. Bashing anyone definitely will discourage someone from posting. Encouragement will go a lot farther and can actually boost the poster's confidence and desire to continue. I do believe a record, whether it be in the Tracker Forum or in the Sports Forum, is valuable to the reader. It is not about chest thumping but provides the reader information on the poster. Believe it or not, it actually assists many posters to maintain discipline in what they post as well. It creates a desire to show a positive result.
 

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Yo Kermit ...

It's just my opinion but We have some great handicappers here and We should do everything possible to encourage them to share their picks and knowledge.


You pretty much summed it up.

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I dont care about peoples records, I want a solid analysis and good points, that I dont know about, I dont care team A has beaten team B last 5 times, tell me something I dont already know. Best info I get from this site is always with people with low posts counts, most of the regulars suck at best here.
 

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I dont care about peoples records, I want a solid analysis and good points, that I dont know about, I dont care team A has beaten team B last 5 times, tell me something I dont already know. Best info I get from this site is always with people with low posts counts, most of the regulars suck at best here.



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Railbird said:
I dont care about peoples records, I want a solid analysis and good points, that I dont know about, I dont care team A has beaten team B last 5 times, tell me something I dont already know. Best info I get from this site is always with people with low posts counts, most of the regulars suck at best here.

HAHA....Rail is one of my favorite characters that this site has to offer. Rail, will you be attending the bash?
 

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Railbird said:
I dont care about peoples records, I want a solid analysis and good points, that I dont know about, I dont care team A has beaten team B last 5 times, tell me something I dont already know. Best info I get from this site is always with people with low posts counts, most of the regulars suck at best here.

Said it once I'll say it again...You know your shit Rail, try and catch all your threads.
But WTF...And some wonder why people dont post, because of comments like that, imo some cappers DO use trends and may not have YOUR expert analysis, but try and give out any factors that may help someone pull the trigger on a play.

Rail it's like you think every poster should be a whale with expert analysis and inside info and the hell with the small time bettor like ME

I think MOST posters make a few of their own plays and then check and see what the "Big Boys" are on, and if on the same side, makes it easy to make the play OR they follow 1-3 cappers religiously.

Kermit said it best "It's just my opinion but We have some great handicappers here and We should do everything possible to encourage them to share their picks and knowledge. However We should also keep in mind that having picks go awry is all part of the business. jmho:toast:"

I go back to my online poker thinking, if you have nothing nice to say, then zip it....or say nh and move on.

Sry I'm done now...:missingte

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