Has The RX ever dropped a sponsor before?

ppeter · Apr 23, 2006

And I don't mean for non-payment of bills, but for consistantly engaging in unethical conduct to the detriment of players and posters.

For example, was Royal affirmatively dropped by the Rx for slow payment to players? Or was that only because they weren't paying their ad bills or cancellation was mutual?

I would certainly understand it if the Rx doesn't drop anybody for any reason other than non-payment of bills because someone has to pay for all the overhead (server time, mod salaries, etc.) and a reasonable profit still has to be made for the ownership.

gbogo · Apr 23, 2006

im not sure - but its almost unfair to list all the books together

they should be listed as

1. low juice
2. high limit/low limit
3. recreational only
4. fee based
5. sport based (ie you want to quote wide prices on bball say it up front so people dont bother with you in that season - so you avoid the problems)

because its misleading to have the better books listed next to the small ones

i actually went to nine-s homepage given the 2 threads on them and at the bottom says for recreation bettors only

quote "Nine.com benefits are intended for recreational players only. Any player deemed to be betting "steam" or "sharp" sides or part of a betting syndicate or bonus abusing group may have bonuses revoked or wager limits lowered and account balances refunded at the discretion of management. "

wilheim · Apr 23, 2006

Since I have been in the loop almost exclusively advertisers that have not renewed or "re-upped' have had banners removed. The BCN fiasco was the single exception I can recall -- although it must be said (in hindsight) they most likely were not going to renew in any case after that Oakland A's futures incident.

wil.

CHOPTALK · Apr 23, 2006

Royal

ppeter · Apr 23, 2006

gbogo

Thats a really good point--"sports gamblers" can no longer be marketed together in one lump sum. There are such huge variances on size of play, pro or "recreational", diff taste in sports, diff strategy used by players ("bonus whores'" vs. low juice players, scalpers who like diff lines, etc.).

It seems the Rx should consider breaking up the catagories of sponsors, (or at least make clear which sponsors cant tolerate even short-term winners)

uppy:

wilheim · Apr 23, 2006

recreational only

Which brings up an interesting (at least for me) question.

Why do many players consider the term "recreational book" derrogatory when a sportsbooks refers to itself in that matter? I know some say they don't want winners or will boot winners but I am not certain that is accurate - I think it has to do with business model and truly looking for the recreational non-Don Best screen watchers. Do recreational players win - of course they do.

wil.

gbogo · Apr 23, 2006

its not that though - thats a catch all phrase which can get you booted or limits cut or bonuses cancelled at any time- at one sides discretion.

im not sure that anyone would be wise to utilise such a service when their are better choices

but if someone clicks the link and its listed under recreational then at least their is some due diligence conducted already and they know what they are getting into- and cant complain no matter what.

just my idea - but whatever works for the majority - good hunting

ppeter · Apr 23, 2006

Wil

The problem most players have with that term is it is so ambigious and subjective.

It can be interpreted virtually any way to cut off a player who is winning or a player that is lifetime down with that shop, but is finally starting to win.

For example, if a player bets his entire balance on one play and loses, he is still a" recreational gambler" and a "dumb square" for having "bad money management." If he redeposits and starts grinding a comeback, suddenly he is "sharp" and the books cuts his internet limits and deals him a different line on the phone.

Insiders · Apr 23, 2006

wilheim said:
Which brings up an interesting (at least for me) question.

Why do many players consider the term "recreational book" derrogatory when a sportsbooks refers to itself in that matter? I know some say they don't want winners or will boot winners but I am not certain that is accurate - I think it has to do with business model and truly looking for the recreational non-Don Best screen watchers. Do recreational players win - of course they do.

wil.

Recreational books, have short limits, post super late after the smoke clears, never want Anyone to win, and if you accidently beat them to the number they Scream Lounder than Any sucker!

So ask yourself this question, Why would Anyone want to play with a "recreational book" in the first place ??

Sure there sponsor $$ are just as good as Anyones, no doubt. But why have them advertiseing on whats "supposed" to be the "sharpest" internet gambling site?
And to add a recreational book to the live lines is something else for sure.
Oh thats right, it ALL comes back to the Money!

wilheim · Apr 23, 2006

Insiders - Money - of course it is about money.. What do you think pays for the site to run? Why is anyone even reading any threads on any gambling forum? Natrually it is all about money. The Rx. is a business and so are the books that advertise here. These books differ in operating models, some call themselves recreational books, does that make them bad for everyone. Personally I would rather see a book be cautious with low limits and late lines then do the opposite and stiff 1000 players (as has happened here no that long ago). Everyone preaches due diligence when selecting a book, the sharpest players win where they can and if they are booted so be it - there are plenty of other spots.

You make it sound like you just figured out something we all didn't know.

wil.

Insiders · Apr 23, 2006

wilheim said:
Insiders - Money - of course it is about money.. What do you think pays for the site to run? Why is anyone even reading any threads on any gambling forum? Natrually it is all about money. The Rx. is a business and so are the books that advertise here. These books differ in operating models, some call themselves recreational books, does that make them bad for everyone. Personally I would rather see a book be cautious with low limits and late lines then do the opposite and stiff 1000 players (as has happened here no that long ago). Everyone preaches due diligence when selecting a book, the sharpest players win where they can and if they are booted so be it - there are plenty of other spots.

You make it sound like you just figured out something we all didn't know.

wil.

Wil
The REAL question that i wanted to know was WHY would Anyone want to play at those spots in the first place. The number is gone or they would not have posted the one they are useing unless they wanted action, and hopeing to get 2 way action an doiing that are 2 different sides of the street. You said that you had been arrested for bookmakeing, then you should know. But what really bothers me about those "recreational books" as they have been named here. We call em lightweights that are in a "coma" here.

I have been ejected more times than i care to count offshore and locals.
And i didnt just figure it out, i figured out long before you came here.
As that was what brought me here long ago as of those "recreational books" owed and couldnt or really didnt want to pay as i had beat them to the number several times, and just got lucky and ALL of those won.
Shrinkieee did in fact get me paid..........over a course of time too.

wilheim · Apr 23, 2006

Insiders

I thought you joined last August..

wil.

Insiders · Apr 23, 2006

I did join Again . But i was here long long ago too.

wilheim · Apr 23, 2006

Care to share your old user name? I can make sure you get a new password email so you can use it if you want to.

wil.

Insiders · Apr 23, 2006

I guess i am not stateing my question properly.

My question is. Sinse this is "supposed" to be the 'sharpest" gambling site on the net, WHY would ANY want to advertise here as a "recreational book" in the first place?

One would think that they would snap as there are a bunch of smarts here and they well beat us to the number, or just plain beat us somehow!!

I sent it to you long ago when the first T-shirt thing came around, an you said that you could not find it, remember? It had many thousands of posts, but it was gone, and so be it!

Oh well it matters not anyway!

gbogo · Apr 23, 2006

insiders i see your point

this site is the premier discussion point for people interested in this sort of entertainment or living depending on your lifestyle

so we should be able to group the choices available to best suit the consumer - not lump them all together

i do see that it is a business as well for the RX and the books - but im sure a book would be willing to pay extra to be listed as a platinum college football book, a platinum nba book compared to the rest etc- that way they could identify where they believe they excel and the players could vote with their post up money.

if a book chooses to stay neutral and not offer anything special and only want rec. players then it can be listed as such.

wilheim · Apr 23, 2006

My question is. Sinse this is "supposed" to be the 'sharpest" gambling site on the net, WHY would ANY want to advertise here as a "recreational book" in the first place?

Who says this is "supposed" to be the "sharpest" gambling site on the net? In truth there are more cerebral blogs or forums for the so called wise guy to frequent than the The Rx. but the internet is immense and many players visit different sites for different reasons. Advertisers judge their investment here at The Rx. by the number of funded sign ups they recieve from it. Obviously books that consider themselves recreational find the investment worthwhile or they wouldn't being paying for a bannner.

There are all kinds of players who visit this site - some sharp - some not and many who are just recreational bettors who will fit in at any of the books that advertise here.

I get a lot of email and quite frankly don't recall your t-shirt one that you mention. I am not sure if I still have it but will check. When seraching for old user names I need the exact spelling with spacing (if any) if it is two names like In Siders for example in order to find anything. Feel free to send it again and I will be glad to look.

wilheim@therx.com

wil.

Insiders · Apr 23, 2006

gbogo

I am glad you saw the point. But you were the only one that did, so far.

Dawoofdaddy · Apr 23, 2006

In reality, I doubt RX is going to refuse money from books wanting to advertise here.

When making a decision which books to send funds, I place little or no weighting with ratings RX management gives any particular book.

Others here have posted this and I will post it now......

The regular/respected posters ratings are what should be used for determining which books to send funds.

Since I use this site, I prefer and attempt to postup with books that sponsor RX. However, if a book is bashed by respected posters, it wont be receiving any of my bankroll, regardless their level of RX sponsorship.

The most we should expect from RX management is to assist with problems and to allow RX posters to post facts about books....whether the posts be positive, negative, or neutral.

I believe Wil & RX allows us to post our thoughts, and we should expect RX management to defend sponsors who pay the bills.

:drink:

WildBill · Apr 24, 2006

There are some book people out there that are not happy if they hear people from the Rx is posting up. The sharp stuff is certainly just reputation though, I would guess the people who have to worry about being cut off are probably about 1 in 100 or less who read the forums here.

Why would you play in these places? Because you get the best number. Unless you are worried about getting paid, why else would you bet ANYWHERE?