ope:Budworth22 said:
Compared to his time when he was winning 3 straight MVP's, rate his physical skills.
Here is my ratings......
ARM strength and accuracy
MVP YEARS- 10
NOW- 9
RUNNING
MVP YEARS- 8
NOW- 7
TOUGHNESS
MVP YEARS- 10
Now- 10
How in the world is a QB "washed up" when he is this close to being in 3-time straight MVP form?
This talk of him being washed up is hogwash..........if he were 23 years old, they would say he is just "inexperieced".
Arm STRENGTH-10/8 (It's not what it used to be, still good though)
Running-8/6 (My grade is based off how well he scrambled to avoid the rush, how well he scrambled to throw, and how well he scrambled to gain yards. A Holistic grade)
Toughness 8/10 (Assuming he's off the pills now..he's tougher)
Fish, evaluate these...then and now
Quickness of release....
Reading a defense.....
Game Managment....
Accuracy.....
Game IQ overall....
Running-8/6 (My grade is based off how well he scrambled to avoid the rush, how well he scrambled to throw, and how well he scrambled to gain yards. A Holistic grade)
Toughness 8/10 (Assuming he's off the pills now..he's tougher)
Fish, evaluate these...then and now
Quickness of release....
Reading a defense.....
Game Managment....
Accuracy.....
Game IQ overall....
The only thing about Favre that is washed up might be his thumb, he still has the rocket arm and he's not that old, it remains to be seen if they give him enough help to getthem back to competetive, I doubt they can win...
I think he will play two more years, I never for a second believed he was retiring like 'expert' Chris Mortenson guaranteed.
I think he will play two more years, I never for a second believed he was retiring like 'expert' Chris Mortenson guaranteed.
Budworth22 said:
Quickness of release....9-8
Reading a defense..... 9-8 No supporing cast(blocking)
Game Managment......Equal, just no supporting cast, see above
Accuracy..... 10-9
Game IQ overall......10-5 (because he is going through the motions, which is HIS fault and the coaching staffs)>
I think his quickness of release is AT BEST a 6 now. He has a huge drawn out windup. His interception stats probably back me up on this, as it is part of the telegraph equation he is performing.
To think that he can still read defenses at above a league average level is probably also a little homerish.
The accuracy is also probably just a 6. This is probably connected to his slower release. A ton of his balls sail too high.
The only team that could use Farve is a team with a great supporting cast.
Any team smart enough to assemble a great supporting cast is smart enough not to hand the keys to a gambler like Farve in today's nfl. Wayyy too much risk involved with him, too many mental errors. I recall the play where the game was winding down and he tried to score on a qb run all the way from midfield and realized he had crossed the line and then threw the ball. The NFL is now just a turnover game. He had more turnovers than some TEAMS last year!
To think that he can still read defenses at above a league average level is probably also a little homerish.
The accuracy is also probably just a 6. This is probably connected to his slower release. A ton of his balls sail too high.
The only team that could use Farve is a team with a great supporting cast.
Any team smart enough to assemble a great supporting cast is smart enough not to hand the keys to a gambler like Farve in today's nfl. Wayyy too much risk involved with him, too many mental errors. I recall the play where the game was winding down and he tried to score on a qb run all the way from midfield and realized he had crossed the line and then threw the ball. The NFL is now just a turnover game. He had more turnovers than some TEAMS last year!
Accuracy - 6 (forces waaayyy too many balls into coverage).
Running - 4 tops (body just can't do it anymore).
Now about the other things mentioned here about the lack of supporting cast, which is true. He holds them back because he is a qb that could win for a team that is a qb away. GB is many pieces away, so he tries to do everything, ends up doing little.
Now look at Bonds. Here is a Cleanup hitter taking a walk a game. He does his team no good doing this. Its not like he has good wheels anymore, or leads the league in runs. He reminds me of Frank Thomas taking pitches he could drive but laying off because they are 1/2 inch off the plate.
Looking at Bonds stats 2006:
.231 avg 5 hr 12 rbi 17 runs 18 hits 35 walks 3 hpb .490 obp
Bonds has reached base 56 times and has been driven home exactly 12 times (taking his 5 HRS out since he did that himself). Adding to the fact he cannot play the field anymore, cannot play day games after night games, he is really dragging them down batting cleanup.
Running - 4 tops (body just can't do it anymore).
Now about the other things mentioned here about the lack of supporting cast, which is true. He holds them back because he is a qb that could win for a team that is a qb away. GB is many pieces away, so he tries to do everything, ends up doing little.
Now look at Bonds. Here is a Cleanup hitter taking a walk a game. He does his team no good doing this. Its not like he has good wheels anymore, or leads the league in runs. He reminds me of Frank Thomas taking pitches he could drive but laying off because they are 1/2 inch off the plate.
Looking at Bonds stats 2006:
.231 avg 5 hr 12 rbi 17 runs 18 hits 35 walks 3 hpb .490 obp
Bonds has reached base 56 times and has been driven home exactly 12 times (taking his 5 HRS out since he did that himself). Adding to the fact he cannot play the field anymore, cannot play day games after night games, he is really dragging them down batting cleanup.
Budworth22 said:
I would walk a cleanup hitter everytime if I know noone will bat him in ever and he isn't fast enough to steal or take an extra base. Why don't they move him up in the order then. Might be able to get an extra AB/game.
Cleanup hitters are like Thome, not lead the league in walks. Not sure why he still gets walks.
We are not debating why he still gets walks or if he should (he shouldn't get as many, he does have a great eye).
The fault belongs to the manager and the hitters 5-8.
If Bonds batted leadoff, and was still pitched the same way, the Giants would be doing MUCH MUCH better right now. EACH spot in the order is worth an extra 25-30 PA'S per season
A cleanup hitter is only someone who bat's 4th, thats the only true definition. Don't let ridiculous baseball talk cloud your mind, embrace the new baseball thinking.
You are a cubs fan right?
The fault belongs to the manager and the hitters 5-8.
If Bonds batted leadoff, and was still pitched the same way, the Giants would be doing MUCH MUCH better right now. EACH spot in the order is worth an extra 25-30 PA'S per season
A cleanup hitter is only someone who bat's 4th, thats the only true definition. Don't let ridiculous baseball talk cloud your mind, embrace the new baseball thinking.
You are a cubs fan right?
