Whos the worst free agent bust who never got hurt?

CHOPTALK · May 21, 2006

Not counting people who got hurt, I have to say Beltre has to be the biggest free agent bust in the history of baseball. I cant think of a close 2nd. Can you?

jwblue · May 21, 2006

I was going to say Darren Dreifort, but he got hurt.

Not sure I can beat Betlre.

IS

CHOPTALK · May 21, 2006

InSpades said:
I was going to say Darren Dreifort, but he got hurt.

Not sure I can beat Betlre.

IS

Drefort would be #1 overall and Mo Vaughn and Kevin Brown would be up there to, but when you take away the players who got hurt and add in the money they get paid, I dont think you can come up with a bigger bust in the history of baseball. Hes killing the Mariners.

yakmerchant · May 21, 2006

CHOPTALK said:
Not counting people who got hurt, I have to say Beltre has to be the biggest free agent bust in the history of baseball. I cant think of a close 2nd. Can you?

May not even be a second, let alone a close second, but that 5 million dollar display Richard Hidalgo put on in Texas last year was disgusting to put it nicely.

2PLAYSMAX · May 21, 2006

Not sure, but one of the worst trades

In 1991, when Glenn Davis was traded to the Orioles from the Astros in exchange for Steve Finley, Pete Harnisch, and Curt Schilling.

ucking:

jwblue · May 21, 2006

Worst trade:

Jeff Bagwell for Larry Anderson would be right up there with the Glenn Davis trade.

IS

beating.vegas · May 21, 2006

sammy sosa

Budworth22 · May 21, 2006

Pitchers:

Kevin Brown

Darren Dreifort

Eric Milton
(Hmm..extreme flyball pitcher in hr park..smart)

Russ Ortiz (Chop, you gotta smile about this one, boy drank the mazonne juice. Only guy ever to lead the league in walks and wins. Average year, leads the league in wins thanks to TONS OF LUCK AD RUN SUPPORT, and the DBacks can't see it)

Greg Vaughn by the DRays

Javy Lopez by the Orioles also was bad.

Beltre also bad.

ClipJoint · May 21, 2006

Budworth22 said:
Russ Ortiz (Chop, you gotta smile about this one, boy drank the mazonne juice. Only guy ever to lead the league in walks and wins. Average year, leads the league in wins thanks to TONS OF LUCK AD RUN SUPPORT, and the DBacks can't see it)

Mazzone juice??? The guy was a better pitcher with the Giants than he was with Atlanta.

CHOPTALK · May 21, 2006

Budworth22 said:
Pitchers:

Kevin Brown

Darren Dreifort

Eric Milton
(Hmm..extreme flyball pitcher in hr park..smart)

Russ Ortiz (Chop, you gotta smile about this one, boy drank the mazonne juice. Only guy ever to lead the league in walks and wins. Average year, leads the league in wins thanks to TONS OF LUCK AD RUN SUPPORT, and the DBacks can't see it)

Greg Vaughn by the DRays

Javy Lopez by the Orioles also was bad.

Beltre also bad.

Beltre is the only one on the list that has been injury free. Even if those other were not injured, you can make the case that all of them have done more for there teams than Beltre making much less than half the money.

Budworth22 · May 21, 2006

Clip Joint said:
Mazzone juice??? The guy was a better pitcher with the Giants than he was with Atlanta.[/left]

True Clip. But he was never actually VERY GOOD, and was sometimes above average.

jtc1984 · May 21, 2006

How about Roberto Alomar

ClipJoint · May 21, 2006

Budworth22 said:
True Clip. But he was never actually VERY GOOD, and was sometimes above average.

17-9 with a 3.29 ERA in 219 innings...opponents hit only .232 against him with an OPS of .633 in his 3rd season. He was a budding superstar.

I think he had a couple seasons where he was VERY GOOD. Just my opinion though.

Budworth22 · May 21, 2006

Clip Joint said:
17-9 with a 3.29 ERA in 219 innings...opponents hit only .232 against him with an OPS of .633 in his 3rd season. He was a budding superstar.

I think he had a couple seasons where he was VERY GOOD. Just my opinion though.

Who had 91 walks and 169 K's. Pitchers with less than a 2-1 ratio do not usually become superstars. Also really helped that he played in what was a pitchers heaven, as Pac Bell supressed everybody but Barry's homers at a ridiculous level.

CHOPTALK · May 21, 2006

Budworth22 said:
Who had 91 walks and 169 K's. Pitchers with less than a 2-1 ratio do not usually become superstars. Also really helped that he played in what was a pitchers heaven, as Pac Bell supressed everybody but Barry's homers at a ridiculous level.

You read way too much into raw numbers.

NickPappagiorgio · May 21, 2006

anyone remember Ed Whitson when he signed with NYY?

ClipJoint · May 21, 2006

Budworth22 said:
Who had 91 walks and 169 K's. Pitchers with less than a 2-1 ratio do not usually become superstars. Also really helped that he played in what was a pitchers heaven, as Pac Bell supressed everybody but Barry's homers at a ridiculous level.

He was 18-9 with a 3.89 ERA in Candlestick 2 years before the season I posted previously. That was his rookie year.

I would say that is a VERY GOOD rookie season. Not many pitchers put up those kind of numbers.

But to stay with this thread, he was definitely a bust as a free agent.

My only point was he was not a good pitcher because of Mazzone.

TKE683 · May 21, 2006

It may not sound a like a lot now but i think it was 3 years and 6 million, at the time quite a bit, the Brewers gave that to Franklin Stubbs.
Then another Brewer signing, after one year ripping it up in Colorado they gave a ton of money to Jeffery Hammonds. LMAO

TomorrowsNewspaper · May 21, 2006

Randy Johnson to the Yankees?

CHOPTALK · May 21, 2006

Tomorrow's Newspaper said:
Randy Johnson to the Yankees?

Very good TM. Theres your close 2nd right there.

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