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I see more and more people betting -1. I understand its a better line, but a lot of games are one run games, do you keep track of these specific bets and what your profit margin is.
 

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I have been betting them for 1.5 years. I push between 23% to 25% of the time. I like it more than 1.5.
 

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I use it a lot but try to avoid using it on home teams where 1 run wins are pretty common and games that look to be low scoring.
 

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I myself Dont use it or -1.5 either. Winners are Triple Tough to get in the first place. I have seen sooooo many leads blown by the bullpens this year, that sometimes i notice that you would be rooting just to TIE that -1, much less the -1.5. Lots of games fall 1.
 

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At 23-25% pushes, didnt realize it would be that high, if no one has done it, i'll try to do a calculation on with the added juice what the value factor is.
 

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TKE683 said:
At 23-25% pushes, didnt realize it would be that high, if no one has done it, i'll try to do a calculation on with the added juice what the value factor is.

Well you have to understand that they change the value of that -1 depending on the situation.

Road team less
home team more.

High total less
low total more
 

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TKE683 said:
At 23-25% pushes, didnt realize it would be that high, if no one has done it, i'll try to do a calculation on with the added juice what the value factor is.


Im sorry what I meant to say was if the bet did not outright lose I push 23-25% of the time.
 

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I agree Insiders!!!! That is why I have never and never will play a run lini. Just win. Played too much and anything can and does happen. The man on the hill can spoil it all is he is right regardless of who it is. He can negate SPEED, POWER, IT ALL!!!!
 

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But If You Take A Team M/l, Then They Would Have To Win By At Least One....so In Many Cases, Its More Valuable To Take A Team -1....right?
 

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I do not want to push when the team I bet to win does win but I do not Just does not make sense to me. Most people do it to reduce the line and it does no good to reduce a line if all you get is a push. It only helps if you lose, but if you plan on losing then forget making the play
 

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But If You Take A Team M/l, Then They Would Have To Win By At Least One....so In Many Cases, Its More Valuable To Take A Team -1....right?

Very, very wrong.
 

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Chop,

What is the formula to make the -1 (by combining ML and -1.5) if your book doesn't offer them? Both with favorites and dogs if the formula is different. Thanks.
 

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The problem with a lot of questions on these Forums, is there is no striaght answer. For me to have a bet in the first place the price on offer must be at least 1/2 run over my estimate, which already incorporates at least 1 run advantage. As I dont bet under Evens I find I have some Teams that are under evens but still potentially 1.5 runs superior, so rather than let these games go, I bet them on the run line. Even though this is my 1st year betting Baseball, its would be hard to prove or disprove things at anytime, all I know is the sums are correct, which means if losses are being incurred then the H'capping is the problem. :drink:
 

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Chop,

What is the formula to make the -1 (by combining ML and -1.5) if your book doesn't offer them? Both with favorites and dogs if the formula is different. Thanks.

Here is the formula Illini taught me last year. Looks hard but after doing it 5 or 6 times you can convert the line in less than a min.

If you like -1, you can get a better line by betting some on the ML and some -1.5. Pinnacle basically rips you off by about 3 cents on every -1 line. It just takes a little algebra, but it's well worth it. Here is an example.

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White Sox (-132)
White Sox -1.5 (+164)
White Sox -1 (+111)

Instead of betting 100 to win 111 at -1, do this.
Bet $56.90 at -132 to win $43.11
Bet $43.11 at -1.5 (+164) to win $70.70.
If White Sox win by 1, you break even, just like the -1 line.
If they win by 2 or more, you win $113.81 instead of $111.
So, you get almost +114 instead of +111

You just have to know how much to bet on the ML, then bet all the would be profits from that on the -1.5 line. To figure out how much to bet on the ML, just do this.
Take 100/132=.7576
Add 1 = 1.7576
Take 100 and divide by 1.7576.
=56.90
 

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CHOPTALK said:
Here is the formula Illini taught me last year. Looks hard but after doing it 5 or 6 times you can convert the line in less than a min.

If you like -1, you can get a better line by betting some on the ML and some -1.5. Pinnacle basically rips you off by about 3 cents on every -1 line. It just takes a little algebra, but it's well worth it. Here is an example.

Pinnacle
White Sox (-132)
White Sox -1.5 (+164)
White Sox -1 (+111)

Instead of betting 100 to win 111 at -1, do this.
Bet $56.90 at -132 to win $43.11
Bet $43.11 at -1.5 (+164) to win $70.70.
If White Sox win by 1, you break even, just like the -1 line.
If they win by 2 or more, you win $113.81 instead of $111.
So, you get almost +114 instead of +111

You just have to know how much to bet on the ML, then bet all the would be profits from that on the -1.5 line. To figure out how much to bet on the ML, just do this.
Take 100/132=.7576
Add 1 = 1.7576
Take 100 and divide by 1.7576.
=56.90

Thanks, but what is the formula for a dog?
 

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fhmesq44 said:
Thanks, but what is the formula for a dog?

I never looked into it because I never bet +1 or +1.5. I could figure it out if I gave it some time. Maybe I will do it later.
 

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CHOPTALK said:
I never looked into it because I never bet +1 or +1.5. I could figure it out if I gave it some time. Maybe I will do it later.

Not taking the dog +1, taking the dog -1, which would be dog on the ML and dog on the ARL.
 

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