Books dealing duel lines- Fair or not fair, what is your opinion?

Iceman · May 28, 2006

This seems to be everywhere lately. My BIGGEST complaint about it is this (and this has happened to me) , you investigate the book before signing up or reloading and after a few bets the "value" numbers that you signed up for, are now gone. Which causes me to not use the book and cancell my account wasting everyones time.

Is this proper business practice on behalf of the book? Well, maybe but it juslt leaves EVEYONE with a bad taste in their mouth and in the long run I beleive it hurts the books reputation more than helps it and loses players trust. Not sure if it is worth it on the books end (esp one that is trying to clean up it's image).

The next question is should we as players look down on books that do this or just turn our backs to it because in reality their numbers (the ones we are seeing) are just consenus "sharp" numbers that most other books are useing?

EJP · May 28, 2006

EVERY Book deals a split line.....if not even more !!!

Budworth22 · May 28, 2006

My BIGGEST complaint about it is this (and this has happened to me) , you investigate the book before signing up or reloading and after a few bets the "value" numbers that you signed up for, are now gone. Which causes me to not use the book and cancell my account wasting everyones time.

:toast:

Is this proper business practice on behalf of the book? Well, maybe but it juslt leaves EVEYONE with a bad taste in their mouth and in the long run I beleive it hurts the books reputation more than helps it and loses players trust. Not sure if it is worth it on the books end (esp one that is trying to clean up it's image).

Many books that do this are advertising over urinals in bars. Very few players will ever find out or give the type of action that requires dual lines. They make a ton more money off of it.

The next question is should we as players look down on books that do this or just turn our backs to it because in reality their numbers (the ones we are seeing) are just consenus "sharp" numbers that most other books are useing?

Again, most will never realize it is happening. I'm not sure fairness is important. It makes them more money.

What is unfair is when they give you a bonus, and then switch you, causing you to rollover on a set of 20 cent baseball numbers that nobody can beat.

Doug · May 28, 2006

EJP said:
EVERY Book deals a split line.....if not even more !!!

Plenty don't deal dual lines. I never heard of Pinny dealing 2 lines, or even SIA. Do CRIS, Skybook, Greek, 5D... have 2 lines ?

valueman · May 28, 2006

Uk books never run dual lines. they'll ban you if they don't want or reduce the amount you can bet/win. Dual lines is just WRONG.

You wouldn't go to a retail shop and expect to pay more because you are wearing a Rolex. Books have every right to limit/ban customers but running dual lines is just thievery.

Doug · May 28, 2006

I wouldn't call it theft, I don't like the practice. I don't stick around places that do it, but it's not stealing. Bowman's is UK and does it.

wilheim · May 28, 2006

Bookmakers have done it for generations. I remember working in an office and hearing the boss say if that is so and so read him the Packers -4.5 or read him the Knicks -2 when my sheet had us at -4 and -2.5 on those games. They call it booking to faces and actually is an art that many bookmakers and gamblers admire in the ones that do it with success.

wil..

Bluemyboy · May 28, 2006

it is still your choice to bet the line. but I agree, that is why you find sqaure friends. hell you are giving them better lines in the end as well.

Budworth22 · May 28, 2006

Lol. Anyone who has ever booked has done this pretty much.

valueman · May 28, 2006

bowmans is hardly UK - about 1% of their turnover maybe UK. He started there but Bowmans do not market there at all.

Insiders · May 28, 2006

wilheim said:
Bookmakers have done it for generations. I remember working in an office and hearing the boss say if that is so and so read him the Packers -4.5 or read him the Knicks -2 when my sheet had us at -4 and -2.5 on those games. They call it booking to faces and actually is an art that many bookmakers and gamblers admire in the ones that do it with success.

wil..

As wil states this has been going sinse time began. Have done it, have had it done to me. Its like this, its "their" shop, and they can deal whatever, whenever they please. I myslef see nothing wrong with it, as a matter of fact in the point spread sports, i love it because it allows you to middle back somewhere else. Thats the way it used to be, and thats the way it shall be.
ONLY the newcomers to this find it hard to accept. ALL you have to do is find someone leaning the "other" way for scalp or middle, thats all.

oldmanTED · May 28, 2006

Before the Offshore Industry and still today, many deal with a local bookmaker who deals dual lines as he/she sees fit. It's strictly part of doing business. Buyer beware. How many in their local community have paid an inflated price on their home town team? Superbowl anyone?

Woody0 · May 28, 2006

Doug said:
Bowman's is UK and does it.

So does Sportingbet (UK).

Its the way the business is. I'd rather get the dual line or sharp line than be cut to $50 or lower limits.

Insiders · May 28, 2006

oldmanTED said:
Before the Offshore Industry and still today, many deal with a local bookmaker who deals dual lines as he/she sees fit. It's strictly part of doing business. Buyer beware. How many in their local community have paid an inflated price on their home town team? Superbowl anyone?

OMT

Yeah your right, but the "offhsore world" does it just as much, if not more so than the locals. Locals here still move according to their "pwn" action and NOT on air as the offshore world.

valueman · May 28, 2006

sportingbet are hardly UK either - may have started there but what part of their business is there - 1%?

EJP · May 28, 2006

Trust me, duel lines are in every MAJOR sportsbook offshore. I would say there are even 3 or more sets of lines. Always there is the WISE line, then the PUBLIC line, probably a seperate line set for CREDIT players even. Then if certain package owners like to fade specific teams, since most of their players are from a certain region. And yes EVERY major sportsbooks have different packages.

Insiders · May 28, 2006

EJP said:
Trust me, duel lines are in every MAJOR sportsbook offshore. I would say there are even 3 or more sets of lines. Always there is the WISE line, then the PUBLIC line, probably a seperate line set for CREDIT players even. Then if certain package owners like to fade specific teams, since most of their players are from a certain region. And yes EVERY major sportsbooks have different packages.

Well said.

obtw i forgot about the locals that have sent their players offshore in packages. Sure they deal those people the line the guy that sent they package wants them to see, as he knows his players better than they ever did, or will.

Iceman · May 28, 2006

EJP said:
Trust me, duel lines are in every MAJOR sportsbook offshore. I would say there are even 3 or more sets of lines. Always there is the WISE line, then the PUBLIC line, probably a seperate line set for CREDIT players even. Then if certain package owners like to fade specific teams, since most of their players are from a certain region. And yes EVERY major sportsbooks have different packages.

I find that hard to beleive. If so we would have some sort of proof of seeing this at Pinny, Cris, Oy, Etc..... No way with the internet nowadays and all the lightning fast info trading hands, there would be examples all over the place. I disagree 100% and I promise guys 10X smarter than me will back me on that staement.

More proof: I pay for a scalping service and the lines from Bodog, Bos and others that have dual lines you will notice right away if this book has duel lines. With Pinny and the other "sharp" books I have not seen ONE bit of evidence of the sort, I guarantee you can tell right away

Insiders · May 28, 2006

Ice

As wil has mentioned here in this thread...If ole so an so calls show him such an such at this price....Its called faceing the player...It goes on Everywhere, has sinse time began.
I am sure that you use the net vs the call center and thats where the Huge plays come in, to the Call Center. I have been on the phone before and heard some clerk, other than the one i am speaking to call for the Supervisor to see what number ole so an so gets on such and such game.
I have even had them change the number on me dureing the call, as when i say "pass" on something and then come back to it. Thats why i always say "Whats the number on game so and so, as they have NO clue which side i want, but now they have seen that i am mostly doggie player in the baseball, so they lean toward the doggie when i double back"
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