The World According to Chuck Sims

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Chucky, I've been thinking about this, and it smells pretty damn bad for the vast majority of the players.

Not everyone in the industry has $100 mil to back their book with, yet you bash the small guys to no end for limiting their exposure and offering a product with better perks to the everyday Joe who isn't dropping $10k a game.

The way I see it, you want mass consolidation, so that the $20 players get the same 10% bonus that the big boys get. No rec books with bigger bonuses, no rec books with "off" numbers, no nothing special or enticing for the masses that are thinking about dabbling in offshore gambling & would love to jump at a 25-35% bonus for a new deposit.

In my opinion, not only would this lose a large part of the true newbie recreational market who would have jumped at a big bonus, but it eliminates the line shopping opportunities for most of us.

What am I missing here?
 

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God are you stupid. "Mass consolidation"? Yeah thats what I want. As you know I am a big fan of the BetOnSports family of books and am in favor of them gobbling up other sportsbooks.

The RX had BetOnSports rated as a "NO PAY" stay away book. That changed overnight when the payoffs begun. The bashing of Chuck Sims by a couple of the mods started at the same time. I'll let the forum posters decide who has an objective view of sportsbooks.
 
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Doing well JH, been out playing in the summer heat(if that's what you call freezing my ass off at 9000k ft camping last weekend).

There's a big diference between a shit book & a recreational book. Everyone has to start somewhere.
 
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Chuck, your ideal world seems like 2-3 megabooks. That's apparently the only thing that will satisfy you. No limit everything, then you are a book.

I know you still have a problem with the old BoS issue(wasn't that eventually resolved to both parties satisfaction?.....I heard it mentioned, but it seemed to have fizzled out). Nothing I can do about that.
 

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TTinCO said:
Doing well JH, been out playing in the summer heat(if that's what you call freezing my ass off at 9000k ft camping last weekend).

There's a big diference between a shit book & a recreational book. Everyone has to start somewhere.

why-not-start-at-the-best-place
 

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Chuck might have good intentions for much of what he says, but come on just about all of us can agree he isn't exactly unbiased in this. Still nothing wrong with him giving his opinion here.
 

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I have yet to hear about a recreational book that didn't do some things that put them in the "shit book" category. I thought VIP might fit the bill as a good recreational book, but then I read about people who were treated very rudely by VIP after VIP gave them the boot. (And these people weren't taking advantage of bad lines, they were just winning bettors.) If you're going to boot someone who played by the rules and simply beat you, at least be polite in showing that person the door and pay him promptly.

A couple years ago I referred two friends of mine to Bodog, one guy who was betting $25 a game, another who was betting $50 a game. They both got switched to the "sharp line" pretty quickly. It's tough for me to respect a book that's going to consider $25 and $50 bettors worthy of the "sharp" cold shoulder.
 

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There is nothing wrong with new operations per se. Everyone was new at some time.

Here is the problem. The bulk of the new operations are ponzi schemes by design. See the BetOnStars thread at TOW right now. Not everyone starts with $100 million, but you should have something, some money in the bank, not just the old "the owner is solid." Too many are undercapitalized or not capitalized at all. They are 100% dependent on fresh customer deposits to pay last week's customers.

The bonuses. To add fuel to the fire, many of these same undercapitalized shops offer bonuses that are not fiscally sound. They are dead losers for the house, but they bring in fresh deposits so they offer them anyway.

Many also resort to deceptive marketing. This includes years in business, how rollovers are calculated, and false claims of being licensed.

Legitimate operations should not feel obligated to match some of the fly by nights dollar for dollar, but invariably they do feel pressure and they are forced to compete to some extent. But at least they don't literaaly give away the store. And at least they have capital to back any loss leading promotion.

Finally, the fly by nights take business from legitimate places. When they go under everyone looks to the big shops for the bailout. Every time one of these dumps is bailed out, it helps keep the cycle going. New shops keep popping up giving away the store, and some players will continue to support them because they never felt the pain because they gpt bailed out in the past.
 

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TTinCO said:
Chucky, I've been thinking about this, and it smells pretty damn bad for the vast majority of the players.

Not everyone in the industry has $100 mil to back their book with, yet you bash the small guys to no end for limiting their exposure and offering a product with better perks to the everyday Joe who isn't dropping $10k a game.

The way I see it, you want mass consolidation, so that the $20 players get the same 10% bonus that the big boys get. No rec books with bigger bonuses, no rec books with "off" numbers, no nothing special or enticing for the masses that are thinking about dabbling in offshore gambling & would love to jump at a 25-35% bonus for a new deposit.

In my opinion, not only would this lose a large part of the true newbie recreational market who would have jumped at a big bonus, but it eliminates the line shopping opportunities for most of us.

What am I missing here?



Interesting theories TT..........thanks for your thoughts.
 

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I believe Chuck Sims is among the few posters here that rate books based on their overall performance in many areas.

If a book justifies being named a shit book, he does such, if a book justifies praise, he does such.

Alot of guys are too concerned with who they may upset by complaining about a book.

Thankfully, Chuck Sims isnt among this crowd, and new RX posters should appreciate that he posts his thoughts.

What good is a 30% bonus when the book is possibly going to later sham its way out of paying it?
 

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I believe Chuck Sims is among the few posters here that rate books based on their overall performance in many areas.

If a book justifies being named a shit book, he does such, if a book justifies praise, he does such.

Alot of guys are too concerned with who they may upset by complaining about a book.

Enjoy Chucks posts and opinions but how can you say that when he admits to playing at such few books.

How can one rate NUMEROUS books on their OVERALL performance without ever actually played at the vast majority of them?
 
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What good is a 30% bonus when the book is possibly going to later sham its way out of paying it?

That is a valid point, and not the type of books that I'm referring to. I generally referring to the books with lower limits who get the "Recreational" label.
 

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Sims tries to save players all kinds of headaches when it comes time to collect their winnings. He tells it like it is and I like that about him.
 

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Personally, if I hear or read + or - from personal friends and/or posters about a particular book, I dont see any need for myself to have played there to have an opinion.

I only add books which I receive positive ratings from personal friends or posters here that I respect.

If Chuck finds what suits his playing style with a handful of books, I see nothing wrong with that.

Fish, I realize you want dozens of outs, and that works for your style. However, most players would find little use with dozens of outs.

Your own thread which annually rates books is among the many sources I will consider before I add a book.

Personally, I have several outs. The books I decide to add (or not add) this football season will be decided from what I hear from friends and read here from posters I trust.

I will take any bonus I may recieve, but its not among my top requirements when I add a book as an out. I want to be sure the book has money & history to pay its customers and not have limits cut and/or shown the door the day after I bet into a good # or win a few dimes.

The world of offshore bookmakers according to Chuck Sims is important for this site.
 

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Thank you Chuck for having the balls to speak up about what you believe and trying to warn posters. Sometimes we may not share the same opinion but I've always admired your straightforwardness on issues since I've been at the Rx. Gotta admire a man who's gonna give it to you straight and try to help players out. :103631605
 

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DAWOOFDADDY said:
Personally, if I hear or read + or - from personal friends and/or posters about a particular book, I dont see any need for myself to have played there to have an opinion.

I only add books which I receive positive ratings from personal friends or posters here that I respect.

If Chuck finds what suits his playing style with a handful of books, I see nothing wrong with that.

Fish, I realize you want dozens of outs, and that works for your style. However, most players would find little use with dozens of outs.

Your own thread which annually rates books is among the many sources I will consider before I add a book.

Personally, I have several outs. The books I decide to add (or not add) this football season will be decided from what I hear from friends and read here from posters I trust.

I will take any bonus I may recieve, but its not among my top requirements when I add a book as an out. I want to be sure the book has money & history to pay its customers and not have limits cut and/or shown the door the day after I bet into a good # or win a few dimes.

The world of offshore bookmakers according to Chuck Sims is important for this site.





FWIW, I am in Woofy's camp on Chuck Sims. Fish, Your annual list is a great barometer of offshore books. Woofy, why did you change your avatar?:lolBIG: The new one is a LOT more pleasing to the eyes. LT:103631605 :party:
 

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