The whole idea of such books soliciting players from sites such as RX and Don Best and then cutting them off or giving them $1 online limits is ridiculous.
Recreational policies would be more accurately stated as such:
"If you win or bet more than a few bucks into any # that isnt a bad one, you will be not be permitted to bet more than $1 on the internet. Yes, we will give you a great bonus to con you into opening an account, but after we have your money, we will cut your limits, so you will more than likely never be able to collect a penny of it."
These books using the recreational player only taglines too often should be avoided like the plague.
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Recreational policies would be more accurately stated as such:
"If you win or bet more than a few bucks into any # that isnt a bad one, you will be not be permitted to bet more than $1 on the internet. Yes, we will give you a great bonus to con you into opening an account, but after we have your money, we will cut your limits, so you will more than likely never be able to collect a penny of it."
These books using the recreational player only taglines too often should be avoided like the plague.
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The problem with that is you can end up with books doing a BetPanAM on you if they over extend themselves. I know some players want to bet high but not all books are looking for that kind of action. I do think some line managers are getting a little to paranoid these days when cutting back what I assume they feel are advantage or wise guy type players. One winner or play on a single game that turns out sharp should not profile you. I find that kind of over reaction by line managers unfortunate and quite needless.
All that said; try walking down the strip in Las Vegas and getting down some decent money on a baseball game - not easy anymore. Unfortunately the old time "book any size bet" bookmakers are getting harder to find as the years go by.
Like I said yesterday these days in the Offshore world it is not about whether players are going to be paid anymore (because they are) its about what line they get and when they get it. The competitive environment for numbers is as severe as I have ever seen it. Hundreds of line makers are trying to stay a step ahead of players getting to numbers.
wil.
My opinion, players are continuing to get better....this forum and others can only make it better for the gamblers...The bookies realize it, in some ways we should be thankful we have so many choices and so much information to share, on sports and bookies.
Not every book is going to be for every player but there are still so many options to get down...does it matter that much to grab every single bonus and free coffee mug?
I will never understand why so many players insist on playing at 50 different books....Its not that hard to figure out which sportsbooks fit your needs.
Not every book is going to be for every player but there are still so many options to get down...does it matter that much to grab every single bonus and free coffee mug?
I will never understand why so many players insist on playing at 50 different books....Its not that hard to figure out which sportsbooks fit your needs.
Why would any book pay for licensing, offices, computer equipment, staff, advertising, and then sweat endlessly about bettors betting a few hundred bucks a game?
It makes sense why certain newer shops would not want whales firing darts into soft # all day, but damn, some posters have been labeled non-recreational betting $50-100 per game...seems ridiculous.
I do not understand why so many of these books are sweating seemingly small action.
Quick to put players on call-in only when it seems it should be more expensive to handle that type of action when internet is available.
Take a bet or find something else to do!!!
It makes sense why certain newer shops would not want whales firing darts into soft # all day, but damn, some posters have been labeled non-recreational betting $50-100 per game...seems ridiculous.
I do not understand why so many of these books are sweating seemingly small action.
Quick to put players on call-in only when it seems it should be more expensive to handle that type of action when internet is available.
Take a bet or find something else to do!!!
Toughcall, but guy's betting $500 or less a game and have placed less then 25 bets getting booted seems a little short-sighted to me. Books should know that even if a guy is playing sharp #s, it doesn't mean the player has the self- control not to chase. Limit reduction under $200 is just plain silly.
DAWOOFDADDY said:
Man DWoof, you hopped into my shoes there. Exactly. There is a fine line between using that verbage to protect your own book or fleece customers. I had been politely asked to leave at MVP and VIP. That I have no problem with. But this looked like a plan to sucker me in and never give me one cent of bonus. This was as wrong as it gets, and a trap for anyone, not just me. They looked for an excuse, and used rules that a lot of books have, but use them with a bit of discretion. If I did not know any better, I would say that is their business plan.
Best Wishes...OF :howdy:
Same in military general article 134. A catch all rule, in case none fit, often if not always abused to fulfill the agenda, not serve justice. But I did my time, got my honorable discharge and a RE-1 top reenlistment code. I left the military because of the rules like that. Sure they have the wise guy rule, so does every other book. Somebody inform nine.com, they will be short lived if they keep abusing customers.
Best Wishes...OF :howdy:
§ 934. Art. 134. General article
Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special, or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.
Best Wishes...OF :howdy:
§ 934. Art. 134. General article
Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special, or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.
Wilheim said "All that said; try walking down the strip in Las Vegas and getting down some decent money on a baseball game - not easy anymore. Unfortunately the old time "book any size bet" bookmakers are getting harder to find as the years go by."
Sharp post by Wil there. Believe me if you are complaining about offshore, you should be thankful that you don't live in the Vegas only world anymore.
Sharp post by Wil there. Believe me if you are complaining about offshore, you should be thankful that you don't live in the Vegas only world anymore.
Predefined Offenses.
Through executive order (MCM), several offenses have been pre-defined under Article 134, to include elements of proof, and maximum permissible punishements. These offenses are:
Nothing worse than straggling.
Green Dog, I am well aware how difficult it is to get down anything in the state of Nevada unless your name is Fezzik. However no stateside book ever agreed to let me bet certain amounts, gave me a bonus to sign on, only to change the rules of the game after they decided to and knowingly make it difficult to even get a bet down of any amount, to prevent collection of a bonus. Nevada Gaming would close this place down in a heartbeat, or as fast as you can say misrepresentation.
Best wishes...OF :toast:
Through executive order (MCM), several offenses have been pre-defined under Article 134, to include elements of proof, and maximum permissible punishements. These offenses are:
--(Abusing public animal)
--(Adultery)
--(Assault--indecent)
--(Assault--with intent to commit murder, voluntary manslaughter, rape, robbery, sodomy, arson, burglary, or housebreaking)
--(Bigamy)
--(Bribery and graft)
--(Burning with intent to defraud)
--(Check, worthless, making and uttering--by dishonorably failing to maintain funds)
--(Cohabitation, wrongful)
--(Correctional custody--offenses against)
--(Debt, dishonorably failing to pay)
--(Disloyal statements)
--(Disorderly conduct, drunkenness)
--(Drinking liquor with prisoner)
--(Drunk prisoner)
--Article 134--(Drunkenness--incapacitation for performance of duties through prior wrongful indulgence in intoxicating liquor or any drug)
--(False or unauthorized pass offenses)
--(False pretenses, obtaining services under)
--(False swearing)
--(Firearm, discharging--through negligence)
--(Firearm, discharging--willfully, under such circumstances as to endanger human life)
--(Fleeing scene of accident)
--(Fraternization)
--(Gambling with subordinate)
--(Homicide, negligent)
--(Impersonating a commissioned, warrant, noncommissioned, or petty officer, or an agent or official)
--(Indecent acts or liberties with a child)
--(Indecent exposure)
--(Indecent language)
--(Indecent acts with another)
--(Jumping from vessel into the water)
--(Kidnapping)
--(Mail: taking, opening, secreting, destroying, or stealing)
--(Mails: depositing or causing to be deposited obscene matters in)
--(Misprision of serious offense)
--(Obstructing justice)
--(Wrongful interference with an adverse administrative proceeding)
--(Pandering and prostitution)
--(Parole, Violation of)
--(Perjury: subornation of)
--(Public record: altering, concealing, removing, mutilating, obliterating, or destroying)
--(Quarantine: medical, breaking)
--(Reckless Endangerment)
--(Requesting commission of an offense)
--(Restriction, breaking)
--(Seizure: destruction, removal, or disposal of property to prevent)
--(Self-injury without intent to avoid service)
--(Sentinel or lookout: offenses against or by)
--(Soliciting another to commit an offense)
--(Stolen property: knowingly receiving, buying, concealing)
--(Straggling)
--(Testify: wrongful refusal)
--(Threat or hoax: bomb)
--(Threat, communicating)
--(Unlawful entry)
--(Weapon: concealed, carrying) --(Wearing unauthorized insignia, decoration, badge, ribbon, device, or lapel button)
Nothing worse than straggling.
Green Dog, I am well aware how difficult it is to get down anything in the state of Nevada unless your name is Fezzik. However no stateside book ever agreed to let me bet certain amounts, gave me a bonus to sign on, only to change the rules of the game after they decided to and knowingly make it difficult to even get a bet down of any amount, to prevent collection of a bonus. Nevada Gaming would close this place down in a heartbeat, or as fast as you can say misrepresentation.
Best wishes...OF :toast:
wilheim said:
Couldn't agree more. Unbelievable how quick some of these guys want to paint someone wise over a short period of time. I guess a lot of pride involved, they want to keep that hold % looking good, not to mention just general overall pressure from upstairs.
I don't have a problem at all with a book that limits itself to true recreational players. However these books often define "recreational player" in a bizarre, if not insulting fashion. For the most part, they don't mean "somebody who bets small amounts," they mean "someone who's clueless and will gladly bet into our terrible square lines."
A lot of these books claim they'll take big limits and of course they'll gladly take your $2000 bet if you're willing to bet the Steelers -3.5 when every other book in the world has -3, or the Yankees -230 when all the other books have -190.
I prefer betting in Vegas, as I can make my $200 and $300 bets without having the line changed on me, without the clerk playing games, and without getting harassed by the book. Unfortunately I do not live in Vegas.
A lot of these books claim they'll take big limits and of course they'll gladly take your $2000 bet if you're willing to bet the Steelers -3.5 when every other book in the world has -3, or the Yankees -230 when all the other books have -190.
I prefer betting in Vegas, as I can make my $200 and $300 bets without having the line changed on me, without the clerk playing games, and without getting harassed by the book. Unfortunately I do not live in Vegas.
