Rockies home total opens at 9- Tuesday....

Still think there was nothing going on this year? For comparison purposes here are the totals of Rockie/Pirates totals in Colorado the last few years.


2005

<TABLE class=data cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2><TBODY><TR><TD class=datahl2>8/11/05
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COL 3 - PIT 11
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Francis, J
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Fogg, J
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PIT 137
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O 11.5
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datahl2>8/10/05</TD><TD class=datacell>COL 6 - PIT 5 x </TD><TD class=datacell>Cook, A</TD><TD class=datacell>Redman, M</TD><TD class=datacell>COL -113</TD><TD class=datacell>U 11.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datahl2>8/9/05</TD><TD class=datacell>COL 4 - PIT 12 </TD><TD class=datacell>Acevedo, J</TD><TD class=datacell>Williams, D</TD><TD class=datacell>PIT 112</TD><TD class=datacell>O 11.5</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


2004

<TABLE class=data cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2><TBODY><TR><TD class=datahl2>5/13/04</TD><TD class=datacell>COL 2 - PIT 11 </TD><TD class=datacell>Jennings, J</TD><TD class=datacell>Perez, O</TD><TD class=datacell>PIT 100</TD><TD class=datacell>O 12.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datahl2>5/13/04</TD><TD class=datacell>COL 7 - PIT 5 </TD><TD class=datacell>Estes, S</TD><TD class=datacell>Benson, K</TD><TD class=datacell>COL -120</TD><TD class=datacell>U 13</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datahl2>5/11/04</TD><TD class=datacell>COL 10 - PIT 15 x </TD><TD class=datacell>Elarton, S</TD><TD class=datacell>Wells, K</TD><TD class=datacell>PIT 105</TD><TD class=datacell>O 12</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


2003

<TABLE class=data cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2><TBODY><TR><TD class=datahl2>8/10/03</TD><TD class=datacell>COL 3 - PIT 5 </TD><TD class=datacell>Chacon, S</TD><TD class=datacell>Figueroa, N</TD><TD class=datacell>PIT 190</TD><TD class=datacell>U 11.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datahl2>8/9/03</TD><TD class=datacell>COL 4 - PIT 10 </TD><TD class=datacell>Oliver, D</TD><TD class=datacell>Damico, J</TD><TD class=datacell>PIT 150</TD><TD class=datacell>O 12</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>



Since the humidor was first introduced (end of 2001 season I believe) there was never a Pirate game at Rockie field that was lined under 11, let alone 9-!!? In fact very very rare for any game against anyone to ever be lined 10 or below. Whatever the reason it's clear the linemakers are taking drastic measures to adjust. Been an absolute gold mine for some but at this total even I can't continue to blindly bet home unders. And yes, I am still convinced the humidor has a lot to do with this, or should I say how they are using it. Sure it's been around a while but this club finally realized it's to their benefit to "take the air out of the ball".

Home field advantage is something teams have used to their advantage since sports was introuduced. If you play in a big huge dome with a giant field then you draft and retain speedy guys, focus on pitching, playing good defense and using speed to your advantage. Play in a short ballpark then bring in power hitters etc.... In short, I think once Rockies realized they no longer had the Walker/ Helton/ Castilla etc... guys to try and outpound the other team they realized adjustments needed to be made. Adjustments on who they kept, what kind of pitching they were after, and yes adjustments on the old humidor as well, LOL.

Thanks

Great information there. I thought they had adjusted long ago, but was not for sure. This proves that they have adjusted, maybe just not far enough yet.

Yeah they have been steadily moving down Insiders, like you said though is it enough yet? Even with the line going downwards the Colorado home unders are 15-1-1 I think in last 17 games. Unders are winning like hell but a guy in the business told me that even in this latest under run the public was still betting the overs, that is why the adjustments have not been made as quickly or drastically as they might have been.

Tonights game opened 10 but is now 9- at most places, will be interesting to see how this game ends. For myself I am going to lay off now, playing 9- when we used to get 13 messes with my head a little too much. I'm almost expecting the run back the other way before the line settles into a nice groove, of course lot of over bettors been expecting that for a while now, LOL. Cheers.

Patrick

You Must admit the humidifier has some effect on those baseballs. If you will notice ALL the other parks are being Blasted most of the times.
Read in another thread just now that the overs were 437 vs the unders at 367 with 37 pushes. Now take those numbers into account an you will see that the other parks, other than Coors field are being lit up !!
Bad Pitching, Worse Bullpens, Steriods, Corked Bats, Smaller Parks, Dry Conditions, the list goes on.
No Lead is safe in baseball this year, as we have ALL witnessed Huge comebacks to the tune of 4-8 runs is nothing nowdays. Early leads in the baseball is just nothing anymore!

As mentioned early in the year....I would not play a total under with counterfeit money!!

Colo can't hit shit & all of a sudden they have pitchers who can pitch.

Remember the line use to be as high as 14!

Insiders said:

Patrick

You Must admit the humidifier has some effect on those baseballs.

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Of course I admit it, that was my point all along Insiders, I think the only question is to what degree is it affecting the totals. How I first got started on this was my exwife's Dad works out of there. He goes all over the world but their home office is in Colorado, he goes to games when he is in town. He told me the first series of the year that something was different, he thought the baseball sounded different than it had in years past when it came off the bat. Instead of a CCRRACCCKK it sounded more like a thud to him, noticably difference he maintained. I didn't think much of it at first but started watching the totals out there and it wasn't long before I too was convinced that something was very different. I originally thought the humidor was new this season, when I learned otherwise I still believed they were not using it in the same way. In years past they weren't making such an effort to keep games low scoring, they had the talent to slug it out, now they do not. Others kept saying it was pitching, hitting, the weather and so on, I have always been convinced the humidor has played a role in this, if not I would not have been betting them as long as I have.

Please reset for those of us late to this discussion?

What is "The Humidor" and how does it come into play?

thanks

Barman, the humidor is what they keep the baseballs in at Coors Field, they are the only park approved by Major League Baseball to have one. I guess the idea is to keep them there to somewhat negate the fact they are about a mile over sea level. Ever hit a golf ball in a place like that and you feel like John Daly. From what I read they store them in the humidor to keep them at 50% humidity to keep the balls from drying out.

As noted above they have had it for a few years now but there is speculation that things have changed. I think even a host at ESPN has said they rotate them differently now and it makes a difference. In fact a player that has left there admitted the balls are not the same now as they were when he played there. Again, all this points to some sort of procedural change at some level that is new, at least that is my opinion on the matter.

Interesting, thanks.

Certainly seems to this very Armchair Physicist that there would be increased chance for SOME moisture in ball that would increase the weight even by minutiae, thus changing all physics in pitcher delivery and of course following contact with the bat.

Thanks again.

Patrick McIrish said:

Unders are winning like hell but a guy in the business told me that even in this latest under run the public was still betting the overs, that is why the adjustments have not been made as quickly or drastically as they might have been.

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That makes perfect sense then. I was wondering why the total did not come down. If the public was still betting overs then there was no need to bring the line down if the public would still bet the over at 10- or 11.

quantumleap said:

That makes perfect sense then. I was wondering why the total did not come down. If the public was still betting overs then there was no need to bring the line down if the public would still bet the over at 10- or 11.

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Exactly Quantum. Remember the idea is not to set the lines where they think they should be, the idea is to set the lines to try and get balanced action. You want to hang them where you think people will be betting both sides of a game, even if you think the line is wrong. So yeah, you better believe these pros who do it take in account factors like public perception etc.....

For a long while this year the Rockies were 21st/22nd/23rd (?) in runs scored a game at home, was just over 9 I believe, yet their totals were always the highest!!? In order words, approximately 22 other teams were averaging more runs scored at home than the Rockies but their totals were set nowhere near as high as the totals in Colorado....

Easy to see why Rockie home under bettors have cleaned up this year. Speaking of that, though I didn't play it the Rockie home under came in against last night. Even though the game was all the way down to 9- at most books it was still an easy winner. Don't tell me nothing has changed, I know better.