I need help, I'm being stiffed for $100,000 (caution old thread)

isaacm · Jun 7, 2006

<DIR>Noble poker is running a Fort Knox jackpot promotion. A few weeks ago, I decided to play since I know I have won sit n' gos before, and I have poker skills. I was fortunate enough to come out on top of 6 straight games. It took me the span of 3 weeks, but I won all 6. I was so excited, and couldn't believe I won. After the 6th game, I sent all the required information to them and was in anticipation
of getting paid. They sent me a ridiculous email back saying that I was in collusion and also accused me of softplay. I earned every win in those sit n' go's and to be accused of something I didn't do is ridiculous. It seems like a cop-out by Noble to use this as an excuse not to pay. I won all 6 games fair and square, and have been getting the run around for 8 days now. I keep calling, and they keep saying to check back in 24-48 hrs. What can I do? I don't know how many people have won this jackpot before me, but I wonder if they were paid. I also had to post up $57 for each tournament and all my account money plus winnings have been frozen in my account for no reason. I'm fed up with calling them, and I need the expertise of rx mods to help me recover my winnings.
Hope someone gets back to me on this.
Thanking you
Yours truly
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wilheim · Jun 7, 2006

isaacm

To be very honest I am not sure what help Rx. mods can be with an outfit like Noble Poker but I am willing to try to help. Feel free to email me at wilheim@therx.com.

wilheim

michael777 · Jun 7, 2006

good luck isaacm,you have a good man in wil to help you

tooran · Jun 7, 2006

isaacm said:
They sent me a ridiculous email back saying that I was in collusion and also accused me of softplay.

Just curious, did they explain what they meant by the collusion? Are they alleging you supposedly cheated with a buddy's help or something? Good luck on this...

wilheim · Jun 7, 2006

From Noble Poker website

The Fort Knox JackPot sit ‘N' go

Noble Poker will pay a $100,000 Jackpot Prize to the winner of six consecutive $50+$7 “ Fort Knox – Jackpot Sit ‘N' Go” tournaments.

The winner of six consecutive first or second places will receive $750.

This prize will be awarded according to the following terms and conditions:

1. Players who have won SIX consecutive 6-player “ Fort Knox – Jackpot Sit ‘N' Go” tournaments with a buy-in of $50+$7 will write to the Noble Poker support team at support@noblepoker.com for verification, providing details and dates of the tournaments, within 48 hours of the final consecutive tournament.

2. The Jackpot prize will be paid only after the consecutive winning games have been checked for any signs of collusive play.

3. 6 consecutive Sit ‘N' Go tournaments with the same 6 players will not be eligible for this promotion.

4. Players from the same IP address, or from the same household, are not eligible to enter the same Sit ‘N' Go tournament for purposes of this promotion.

5. A player found trying to enter with more than one account into a Sit ‘N' Go tournament will not be eligible for this promotion.

6. The use of offensive language at the Sit ‘N' Go tournament will disqualify a player from winning a Jackpot prize.

7. Any player found colluding during the course of a Sit ‘N' Go tournament in order to win the Jackpot prize will be disqualified and his account will be frozen.

8. Any player found to be “soft playing” in order to allow another player to win during the course of a Sit ‘N' Go tournament will have his account frozen.

9. Any withdrawals made on any winnings of the Jackpot prize are subject to Noble Poker's standard withdrawal procedure and collusion check.

10. All decisions made by the Noble Poker management are final.

11. Noble Poker has the right to stop this promotion, or change its conditions at any time.

12. To be eligible to receive a jackpot prize the winning series must be
completed in a 30 day period.
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wilheim · Jun 7, 2006

7. Any player found colluding during the course of a Sit ‘N' Go tournament in order to win the Jackpot prize will be disqualified and his account will be frozen.

8. Any player found to be “soft playing” in order to allow another player to win during the course of a Sit ‘N' Go tournament will have his account frozen.

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These are the two rules that look to be ambiguous and could allow the website to pretty much use them whenever they want..

I will try to do my best if Isaacm decides to ask me for help.

wil..

newton0038 · Jun 7, 2006

wilheim said:
11. Noble Poker has the right to stop this promotion, or change its conditions at any time.

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This rule does not seem very " NOBLE" now does it

AngleBroom · Jun 7, 2006

Seems like they could just accuse a player of breaking any rule if they didn't want to pay them. Good Luck Isaacm.

isaacm · Jun 7, 2006

Respected Sir
I just emailed you all the correspondence with the proof of me winning the tournaments. I hope you take a look at it and let me know what could be done. I haven't got the final reply from them yet. I'm still waiting but as far as the supervisor of the customer service departmant told me on the phone today was that their decision is final and hardly it would change, but I'm praying and hoping that it's a mistake on their part and that they rectify the error.
Thanking you
Yours truly

BigM+ · Jun 7, 2006

that's some bullshit... best of luck, and I hope you cash that 100k

The fact that they accuse you of soft playing is the stupidest thing I've ever seen and pretty much proves that they're throwing the rule book at you, trying desperately to avoid paying you

if you won six tourneys in a row, how could you possibly have been "soft playing" to "allow another player to win"

Insiders · Jun 7, 2006

Well wheather he did, or did not ! They could use Every excuse for not paying that they want too.

Good Luck i HOPE ya get paid!

But i have a REAL bad feeling here. If they were going to pay, they would have already paid!

wilheim · Jun 7, 2006

I have been in touch by email with Isaacm. I will leave it up to him to inform this board with any updates.

wil..

Insiders · Jun 7, 2006

wilheim said:
I have been in touch by email with Isaacm. I will leave it up to him to inform this board with any updates.

wil..

I sure hope he gets paid, but i make him a HUGE underdog maybe as much as +10000 maybe even the old out price.

ppeter · Jun 7, 2006

Correct me if I am wrong, but winning 6 conseq. sit n go's (with 6 players each game), the odds are 1 in 41,472, are they not? And if you are a very good player, the odds are probably closer to 1 in 10,000 or so? So how could they justify paying out a $100k bonus on that? A joint like this would go broke if they actually paid it. I sure hope you get paid, but it sounds like a scam from the "get n go."

Doug · Jun 7, 2006

SBR started a thing called poker room review, rates Noble at B

http://www.pokerroomreview.com/online+poker+room+rating+guide/online+poker+room+rating+guide.aspx

AngleBroom · Jun 7, 2006

ppeter said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but winning 6 conseq. sit n go's (with 6 players each game), the odds are 1 in 41,472, are they not? And if you are a very good player, the odds are probably closer to 1 in 10,000 or so? So how could they justify paying out a $100k bonus on that? A joint like this would go broke if they actually paid it. I sure hope you get paid, but it sounds like a scam from the "get n go."

Guess this is the outcome when someone actually beats the odds and wins a jackpot. I wonder if Party Poker pays when someone hits their Jackpots?

tooran · Jun 7, 2006

wilheim said:
2. The Jackpot prize will be paid only after the consecutive winning games have been checked for any signs of collusive play.

7. Any player found colluding during the course of a Sit ‘N' Go tournament in order to win the Jackpot prize will be disqualified and his account will be frozen.

9. Any withdrawals made on any winnings of the Jackpot prize are subject to Noble Poker's standard withdrawal procedure and collusion check.

Collusion, eh? 6 of the 12 rules are about collusion. A "collusion check"? WTF is that? Do they phone all your old high school teachers?

Rules 3-5 expand on collusion, saying it includes: sharing the same IP address, having the same 6 players in more than one game, playing from more than one account, having two players from the same household, etc.

These poker sites make a KILLING off their referral bonuses. They shove it down our throats. And then when someone of your "household" plays in the same tourney (who else are you going to refer other than a fellow degenerate household co-member) , you're both colluding and DQ'ed?

Hilarious.

The only person I've ever referred to a poker site is my Mom, so I guess I'd be in the same vaseline boat as Isaac here, if I won this tourney.

AngleBroom · Jun 7, 2006

Doug said:
SBR started a thing called poker room review, rates Noble at B

http://www.pokerroomreview.com/online+poker+room+rating+guide/online+poker+room+rating+guide.aspx

Wasn't aware of this review site, thanks for the info.

Doug · Jun 7, 2006

At least they have a fairly good rating, good luck.

BigM+ · Jun 7, 2006

Yeah, that B makes things seem SLIGHTLY better. I've never heard of Noble Poker before and assumed it was some third rate bullshit outlet.

Still a long shot. Collusion is impossible to prove but much too easy to accuse.