Ask Bos and the other like books who boot winners. Here is a sample of the criteria they use.
You the player who wins gets the boot at the end of the day.
Betting to early on a game that moves. Several hours in most places cases.
Knowing a player who once won with them.
Betting an underdog. Big No no.
You get the idea.
You the player who wins gets the boot at the end of the day.
Betting to early on a game that moves. Several hours in most places cases.
Knowing a player who once won with them.
Betting an underdog. Big No no.
You get the idea.
OMNIVOROUS FROG said:
OF,I think that there are a lot of players that fall into a group that is overall knowledgeable but are not in the know per se. These players have been around and know a little about value. This group of players may like a game early and get a good # that turns to a steam game later on. Like I said, a little knowledge but NO inside info. How would you classify those players? How would the books classify those players? Looking forward to your insights. LT
A sharp player is one who books you, and one that you dont book..They wager the best ## all the time..
Now lets say a player gets the best of you all the time..The line always works in his favor, never the houses..Lets equate that in the real world..If I ws a professor and gave a test, and I had a student that got 100 all the time, I might think he had the answers..
The same principal..If the player knows the line move all the time before it moves, I would think he had the answers..Inequittable then, he has the edge..NOT FAIR..
Now lets say a player gets the best of you all the time..The line always works in his favor, never the houses..Lets equate that in the real world..If I ws a professor and gave a test, and I had a student that got 100 all the time, I might think he had the answers..
The same principal..If the player knows the line move all the time before it moves, I would think he had the answers..Inequittable then, he has the edge..NOT FAIR..
Coach LT said:OF,I think that there are a lot of players that fall into a group that is overall knowledgeable but are not in the know per se. These players have been around and know a little about value. This group of players may like a game early and get a good # that turns to a steam game later on. Like I said, a little knowledge but NO inside info. How would you classify those players? How would the books classify those players? Looking forward to your insights. LT
It depends on two things, it depends how often you are in front of the steam, how often you chase it, if at all, and if you are pounding limits. One way to fly under radar is to keep the bets below limits, even 1/2 limits. These type of players to me are able to spot what should happen when the big money moves. Or the right side, betting wise. The Book may or may not, each one has different criteria, there is no set formula. And they may have a quota, to balance off square action. It really sets off alarms if you bet limits every bet, and are in front of moves. That puts you in the watch this player list. Could put you in sharp line only if dealing two lines. Most books now look at bottom lines first, then back up plays to find out what you are doing. So let's say you are up good for the last 3-6 months. That may fit a profile, set off an alarm at the book, and they may scrutinize your action. Even delay it for manual approval. Other books will cut your limits, ask you to phone in only, or just 86 if they don't like your action. So I think people that bet in front of the steam have a good read of what should be bet. How the books deal with players like that is totally dependent per book.
Best Wishes...OF :toast:
One is if you are tagged or known. If you get booted at say a eurotrash VIP book you will get kicked out right away if trying to sign up and play at GAMEDAY, FIVE CARD CHARLIE, etc. or an affiliated book.
I had more than one offshore person say any bigger deposit or $500+ bets right away they monitor what you are betting. If you beat the move or it is a sharp play, get ready for dual lines. Beat those, get ready for lower limits. From there they usually will not allow any bonuses or specials. If all else fails, the door.
I had more than one offshore person say any bigger deposit or $500+ bets right away they monitor what you are betting. If you beat the move or it is a sharp play, get ready for dual lines. Beat those, get ready for lower limits. From there they usually will not allow any bonuses or specials. If all else fails, the door.
Yes if you are tagged you get a much shorter leash. If you stay within that group. Sort of like an inhouse black list. I am on a few of those. I think the biggest fear is getting profiled without warrant. Certain books are just flippin the switch premature, no matter what your history is, let's say you bet a stale future, that will get you on notice, instantly. Anything with a big payoff, like a huge underdog, again, they look at it as what is their risk, not on probability of cashing. Another is betting both sides same place, worse, hitting both. Most books now are shying away from exposure, prefer a bunch of recreationals, that end up losing somewhere, the casinos is possible. If you stick with sports, and very good spots, and they are a book that dumps winners, they will get to you after a cut or two.
Best Wishes...OF :toast:
Best Wishes...OF :toast:
I know nothing about how sportsbook work, but my thinking is that in theory, they shouldn't be worried about sharp players.
Isn't the point of a book to set a line so that the action will balance on both sides, and then take a 10% cut when the loser's money goes to the winner?
If I follow this reasoning, then presumably the sharp bettors would be on one side, which means the book would have to compensate with weak bettors on the other side by offering a better line, which means the line on the sharp's side would be less good, so the sharp would bet at another book. Sharp bettors don't win the books' money, they win the money of the losers, and the book takes its cut of the money changing hands. Isn't that how it works? Be nice, I'm just learning.
Isn't the point of a book to set a line so that the action will balance on both sides, and then take a 10% cut when the loser's money goes to the winner?
If I follow this reasoning, then presumably the sharp bettors would be on one side, which means the book would have to compensate with weak bettors on the other side by offering a better line, which means the line on the sharp's side would be less good, so the sharp would bet at another book. Sharp bettors don't win the books' money, they win the money of the losers, and the book takes its cut of the money changing hands. Isn't that how it works? Be nice, I'm just learning.
All these answers are right in this thread. Only thing I would add is to be aware the process starts long before you make your first bet. First off do not take a referral from someone wise, you will be painted the same way immediately. Also books can gain a lot of information just by your deposit, how much it was, what method used, where it came from etc...... It's not always 100% foolproof but I've had more than one person tell me before a player made his first bet they were pretty much aware of what kind of action he would be giving them.
kirkmuller said:
If you're not VERY, VERY careful, your inexperience, reason, logic and naivete will end up teaching you a very expensive lesson. This is the world of eleven to ten. Smoke and mirrors, cunning and trickery has been elevated from an art form to a science. For the most part, those who are willing to teach you are those who do not know themselves. Those who are "in the know" keep the information to themselves. The truly, meaningful info is far too valuable to be exposed in a public forum. I tried to be nice.
