Regarding the Artie dispute with BetMill..

Right now there are at least half a dozen threads on the front page of this forum regarding this dispute. I am not going to do Q and A in all of them but will tell you exactly how I feel about the issue in this post..

I argued for two days trying to get BetMill to pay Artie all of his winnings to no avail. BetMill is standing behind their original decision and quite frankly there is not much more I can argue with them I have not already tried. I very much hope either Shrink or Bill Dozer can get them to change the ruling that from what I have been told is final and been made by the highest upper management at both BetMill and parent company BetOnSports. I absolutely find the ruling unfortunate and expressed those feelings in all of my conversations with BetMill and BetOnSports management.

The Rx. (by that I mean my boss Marty Jensen) also regrets that this dispute has (apparently) ended this way. We both felt the player should have been paid in full instead of partially. Unfortunately this is not the case.

Regarding the Rx. $10,000 guarantee for any Rxer. who is stiffed by BOS that guarantee is still in effect. This does not include players like Artie who only registered here at The Rx. after he found out we might be able to help him with his dispute. While I sympathize with Artie he is not a Rxer and even if his problem was with BOS and not BetMill he would still not qualifiy. I repeat the guarantee was made for Rxers only and not anyone who after the fact registers here to post his story and ask for help.

Regarding the BetMill and BetOnsports banners we have hanging here at The Rx.. They will not be coming down at the present time, The Rx. is a business and we have to operate that way. BetMill has given us their reasoning for not paying Artie in full and even if I think that reasoning flawed the fact remains they do have rules about players betting games from the same IP etc.. I am not going to argue the whole case here, my point is there are two sides to the story and in the opinion of both myself and Marty the situation does not call for removing any sponsers from this site.

I will say it again both Marty and myself are unhappy that BetMill and BetOnsports decided to act in this fashion and we have made our feeling known with everyone at BetMill and BOS on the matter. However I will also repeat the banners are not coming down at this time.


I understand that some of you will be upset that we are taking this stance so I have allowed everyone to freely bash The Rx., BetMill, BetOnSports, the Rx. mod team and myself on this forum without any editing. I don't have a problem with that but at some point if this forum gets overun with threads on this issue I will merge them in order to allow posters who visit this forum for other reasons to enjoy a normal posting day here at The Rx. I do not want to censor or edit anyone but will not tolerate any profane or malicious namecalling in any case.


I can only hope that perhaps through the efforts of others Artie may see a different result. I honestly tried my best to little avail.


Thank you, wilheim..

Wil,

A hearty thanks for your effort on behalf of the player and for taking the time to let us know everyone's position on this matter.

Can someone provide a link on the terms and conditions to qualify for the $10,000 guarantee. If Artie would have signed up uner this program would Marty have paid him?

Buzzaw, there is no program, the $10,000 offer was one made to Rxers who deposited at BOS after they became a sponser here. In the event of a legitimate stiff The Rx.. guaranteed any curent Rxer's account up to $10,000. That does not include players who are referred here only after the fact and then register soley for the purpose getting help. In effect that would put the Rx. in a position to have to guarantee the entire sportsbetting population. In other words if you feel you have been stiffed by BetOnSports run over to The Rx. and register so you get the $10,000 guarantee.

This was never the intention of the gurantee, we simply wanted to make currently registered Rxers aware that by allowing BOS to advertise here we were also backing them up for up to $10,000.

Regarding Artie, even ignoring the technicality that his dispute is with BetMill and not actually with BOS he would still not be covered by the guarantee because someone (at SBR I think) sent him here after his dispute had begun to see if The Rx. could be of any help..


wil..

Well I would be in the program then! Glad to be a part of SOMETHING around here!

Wil, assuming Artie had signed up at the Rx some months ago and had around 100 posts before this issue arouse, are you honestly saying Marty would have given him the CONFISCATED BONUS amount of around 3-4k, or whatever it was?

I think its important to clarify that position for all of us because "legitimate stiff job" is just as vague and ambigious as Mill's rules. Does that mean: 1) No pay whatsover? 2) partial pay of principal and partial pay of bonus and Marty makes up the rest? OR 3) FULL PAYMENT OF PRINCIPAL, LIKE ARTIE GOT IN THIS SITUATION, BUT A CONFISCATION OF BONUS, WITH MARTY PAYING THE BONUS?

I can see lots of "wiggle room" to say a mere confiscation of bonus is not a "legitimate stiff job" as the player was fully refunded his principal balance, and therefore was not really "harmed."

Thank you.

PPeter, every case if and when they occur would be judged on it's merits. In Artie's case even though he has the dispute at BetMill and not BOS (where the gurantee is made) I don't think he would be reimbursed by The Rx. even if he had been a member before the dispute. I don't want to argue the case again but even as incredulous as it may sound there are some grounds for the ruling BetMill made. I have stated my feeling on the ruling above..


wil.

OK Wil thanks. My crystal ball says there could be trouble if this plan stays in throw-it-against-the-wall form. BOS has indicated that this is their new policy and there will undoubtably be future claims imo. If there was a plan in writing that would prevent future Artie's we would be happy to refer players who ask about BOS to it.

OK Wil thanks. My crystal ball says there could be trouble if this plan stays in throw-it-against-the-wall form. BOS has indicated that this is their new policy and there will undoubtably be future claims imo. If there was a plan in writing that would prevent future Artie's we would be happy to refer players who ask about BOS to it.
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I think you are right. I will get together with Marty and work out a detailed plan and post it here so everyone is very clear on the intent of the guarantee.


wil..

Looks like a long day ahead. I will be back a little later and will try to answer any other questions. I gotta get some breakfast..



wil..

Thanks for the quick response Wil.

I take it then "legitimate stiff job" will basically mean "total stiff job" when all is said and done and a policy statement written up. I can't say I am happy to hear that, but I certainly understand the reasoning and rationale---the Rx can't have a run on the bank if BoS starts confiscating bonuses in mass quantity, as some fear will happen.

I actually have a very large balance at BoS right now, so although 10k is not enough, knowing the Rx is acting as a guarantor for at least part of my funds does offer some reassurance.

respect wil.

those dirtbags have put you in an invidious position.

ppeter said:

Thanks for the quick response Wil.

I take it then "legitimate stiff job" will basically mean "total stiff job" when all is said and done and a policy statement written up. I can't say I am happy to hear that, but I certainly understand the reasoning and rationale---the Rx can't have a run on the bank if BoS starts confiscating bonuses in mass quantity, as some fear will happen.

I actually have a very large balance at BoS right now, so although 10k is not enough, knowing the Rx is acting as a guarantor for at least part of my funds does offer some reassurance.

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RUN, PPETER, RUN!!!LT

thanks for stating a clear posn wil

obv yesterday was a difficult day

all the best

Wil, you make some good points, but why allow a known scammer to advertise? I mean come on. You have tons of newbies viewing this site for the first time each day, they see BETONSPORTS as a platnium advertiser, they think, "WOW, my money will be safe for sure" WRONG.

For any poster that reads this, I think we should stand together and stop posting at the RX till their banners are removed or any site that advertises these crooks. With out the posters these sites don't exisit, and to advertise a bunch of crooks is being a crook yourself in my eyes.

I feel the removement of banners from watchdog sites may get the point across to them. That stealing money from clients is not an acceptable part of doing business

Letting the banners fly here and other players will definately lead some unsuspected newbies to these crooks for yet another scam to happen.

But i know, this will soon be brushed under the rug like the several thousand dollar parlay, the 500K stiff job, and it will be business as usual.

BB

*Wil, contrarary to what you believe I know you do what you can. You hands are tied in situations like this. I really feel if it was up to you, Betmill and BoS would be gone as advertisers. Thanks for the effort you put forth in these situations.

I have not said a whole lot about this yet because the Rx management and moderators think I am always too critical and negative with my posts. But the time has come to speak up objectively.

I think more needs to happen here. The Rx is real great in resolving the "I didn't get my $125 dollar Neteller payout from a book yet" disputes. But this is major and I think it would have meant more to people if you considered reducing the BoS/Mill level of sponsorship. I also feel despite not being a registered Rx member, that the Rx's guarantee of funds should be used to help the player. Any of us at the Rx could have had the same issue and it makes us question whether you would really stand behind that offer.

Despite all this fighting you did with BoS/Mill on behalf of the player, you are still choosing to uphold the words of the law (both BoS/Mill's lame rules they are standing by, and the Rx guarantee of fund guidelines) and not the spirit of the law (that they should not have confiscated winnings of a bet already made, and that Artie is just like all of us at the Rx). I don't think enough has been done here at all and it is a black eye for both the Rx and the industry in general.

I respect that the Rx is a business and really has been run more like a corporation since the days of The Shrink. But to quickly dismiss making any changes or really offering any further help is disappointing.

So now we can share our experiences and expose betmill /bos for the cheating thieves they are without being edited or put on post review?

wilheim said:

I understand that some of you will be upset that we are taking this stance so I have allowed everyone to freely bash The Rx., BetMill, BetOnSports, the Rx. mod team and myself on this forum without any editing. I don't have a problem with that but at some point if this forum gets overun with threads on this issue I will merge them in order to allow posters who visit this forum for other reasons to enjoy a normal posting day here at The Rx. I do not want to censor or edit anyone but will not tolerate any profane or malicious namecalling in any case.


Thank you, wilheim..

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wilheim said:

Regarding the BetMill and BetOnsports banners we have hanging here at The Rx.. They will not be coming down at the present time...both myself and Marty the situation does not call for removing any sponsers from this site.

I will say it again both Marty and myself are unhappy that BetMill and BetOnsports decided to act in this fashion and we have made our feeling known with everyone at BetMill and BOS on the matter. However I will also repeat the banners are not coming down at this time.

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Just curious...what would a book need to do to get their banner removed?

This is pathetic.

2 things that most educated posters already knew at least were confirmed:

1- BOS is a scamming shit book that has no problem stiffing and stealing.

2- Marty is a money hungry coward who is only in this to bow down to anyone who offers him some dinero.

Marty would have to return the 6 figure advertising money TheRX received for BOS to be the top advertiser here...that is the reason "he doesn't feel it warranted removing the banners".

Don't buy into the fluff and bullshit he spews.

Wil seems to be an honorable guy that always seems to be put in a tough spot because of his position and needing to keep everyone happy.

Marty is a tool and most people that have first hand experience with him will tell you this. He has shown his true colors since day 1 of BOS being taken on here as an advertiser.

He has every right to run this site the way he wants...but don't play stupid and treat the posters here as retards that don't see through the crap.

"The situation does not call for removing the sponsers banner". LMFAO!!!

What situation would call for that Marty??? Someone not paying their advertising bill sure would...but someone not paying a player is ok.

You are turning this site into a joke. Be thankful that there are a lot of great posters here who would never take your recommendations and don't value your opinion. You purchased a site and community where a lot of us come to interact and share information. That would never change no matter how twisted and money hungry you are.

You are single handedly trying to ruin this place but it was built on such a strong foundation and grown into such a great community, even the owner can't fuck it up at this point.

Great mod team, unbelieveable group of posters, shitty advertisers and a very dishonest owner.

Clip Joint said:

Just curious...what would a book need to do to get their banner removed?

This is pathetic.

2 things that most educated posters already knew at least were confirmed:

1- BOS is a scamming shit book that has no problem stiffing and stealing.

2- Marty is a money hungry coward who is only in this to bow down to anyone who offers him some dinero.

Marty would have to return the 6 figure advertising money TheRX received for BOS to be the top advertiser here...that is the reason "he doesn't feel it warranted removing the banners".

Don't buy into the fluff and bullshit he spews.

Wil seems to be an honorable guy that always seems to be put in a tough spot because of his position and needing to keep everyone happy.

Marty is a tool and most people that have first hand experience with him will tell you this. He has shown his true colors since day 1 of BOS being taken on here as an advertiser.

He has every right to run this site the way he wants...but don't play stupid and treat the posters here as retards that don't see through the crap.

"The situation does not call for removing the sponsers banner". LMFAO!!!

What situation would call for that Marty??? Someone not paying their advertising bill sure would...but someone not paying a player is ok.

You are turning this site into a joke. Be thankful that there are a lot of great posters here who would never take your recommendations and don't value your opinion. You purchased a site and community where a lot of us come to interact and share information. That would never change no matter how twisted and money hungry you are.

You are single handedly trying to ruin this place but it was built on such a strong foundation and grown into such a great community, even the owner can't fuck it up at this point.

Great mod team, unbelieveable group of posters, shitty advertisers and a very dishonest owner.

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Clip, you just saved me at least a half hour of time this morning, thank you, could not agree more.

One possible ending I see to this story.... Shrink as the white knight, even if he has to give BOS the money himself to pay the player? I'd take a shot on that prop if it was offered.

Clip hit it right on the head.

One could bring up the owners shady past then this whole situations would come together.

BB

Clip Joint said:

Just curious...what would a book need to do to get their banner removed?

This is pathetic.

2 things that most educated posters already knew at least were confirmed:

1- BOS is a scamming shit book that has no problem stiffing and stealing.

2- Marty is a money hungry coward who is only in this to bow down to anyone who offers him some dinero.

Marty would have to return the 6 figure advertising money TheRX received for BOS to be the top advertiser here...that is the reason "he doesn't feel it warranted removing the banners".

Don't buy into the fluff and bullshit he spews.

Wil seems to be an honorable guy that always seems to be put in a tough spot because of his position and needing to keep everyone happy.

Marty is a tool and most people that have first hand experience with him will tell you this. He has shown his true colors since day 1 of BOS being taken on here as an advertiser.

He has every right to run this site the way he wants...but don't play stupid and treat the posters here as retards that don't see through the crap.

"The situation does not call for removing the sponsers banner". LMFAO!!!

What situation would call for that Marty??? Someone not paying their advertising bill sure would...but someone not paying a player is ok.

You are turning this site into a joke. Be thankful that there are a lot of great posters here who would never take your recommendations and don't value your opinion. You purchased a site and community where a lot of us come to interact and share information. That would never change no matter how twisted and money hungry you are.

You are single handedly trying to ruin this place but it was built on such a strong foundation and grown into such a great community, even the owner can't fuck it up at this point.

Great mod team, unbelieveable group of posters, shitty advertisers and a very dishonest owner.

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