BetOnSports Response regarding "Artie" Dispute.

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Following the continued posting on various Forum sites and conversations between several of our staff and moderators we have once again reviewed the situation with regard to this Client. Our review has not changed our opinion but has convinced us that we have been fair in the application of our rules and that the rules themselves are fair and reasonable.



Our policy on client confidentiality restricts our ability to argue our case in public . We will not compromise this policy even though in cases like this it would help us immensely because it makes it easy for anyone to make accusations against us.



We will as always abide by the decision of the independent arbitration service IBAS - we therefore suggest strongly that you recommend to the client that he takes his complaint to IBAS (Independent Betting Arbitration Service) at +44 207 8812690 or www.ibas-uk.co.uk for arbitration. We will provide IBAS with all the evidence we have regarding our decision including tapes, betting data and accounts information. We will follow whatever decision IBAS makes - Further if any amount is deemed due by IBAS to the customer then BETonSPORTS, Plc will pay 200% of that figure. However, if IBAS sides with BETonSPORTS, Plc, all we ask is that the client retract his negative statements, personally.

BETonSPORTS, Plc is a publicly traded and transparent organization. We are held, and abide, by some of the strictest regulations and auditing in the world. In no way do we, or would we, risk our reputation or the reputation of our stock holders by acting unprofessionally. We will never do anything other than deal with customers as fairly as possible as the success of the business today and in the future is based on first class customer service. This means having clear rules and following them. The situation being aired in the forum is being described from only the client's point of view, and our inability to break customer confidentiality restricts our ability to give you full detail.

Here is what we can provide:



· The client joined two brands within BETonSPORTS, Plc;

· When the client attempted to make his first large wager, he was informed by the stage manager that steam plays and syndicate plays would not be accepted;

· At least the next three (3) plays made by the client 'steamed' (and were also bet by other 'large' bettors);

· The client was warned at least one more time by the stage manager;

· The client's IP was then tracked and matched to at least two(2) other clients playing the exact same plays (same ones betting "his" plays);

· The clients account was therefore closed by us for contravention of rules;

· The client was paid his balance minus bonuses + winnings directly associated from bonuses.



In short, the client (i) joined, (ii) broke our rules, (iii) was warned about the rules, (iv) continued to break the rules, and (v) was exited from the business with his money + all money won directly associated with his money (the only thing removed from his balance was the bonus + winnings associated with bonus as he had not met the bonus rollover rules to which he agreed).

Thank you for your time - and, the ball is in the client's court.
 

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BetOnSports, still crooks, nothing has changed.

You can't take bets, allow the clients ot have money at risk and then cancel them after because they are "steam" or "syndicate" plays. You say you warned him three times but you kept soliciting his business, aggressively soliciting his business. You left that out.

If this player was making these unwanted "steam" and "syndicate" plays why did your company continue to aggressively market his account?

One or two matching IP's does not make for a syndicate.

Your whole syndicate/steam rule is unethical on the surface. It's not a license to steal, but you treat it as such.

If you want to toss the player that's your business, but you need to pro-rate the bonus and pay the player his balance, including the winnings from the bonus from plays already made. Otherwise you are jsut getting a free shot at his money. You enticed him to play with you with the bonus, you can't take away money he won off of it just because you decided he wasn't your type of player.

Let's see some dates of these "warnings" vs the dates of his deposits and bonuses. You didn't seem to have a problem with his steam/syndicate plays while he was losing.

IBAS, are you making the same offer to the player you stole $500,000 from? Can he go to the IBAS and get 200% back if he wins?

Your company is a joke. You wave around the fact that you are publicly traded like it somehow adds credibility to your scam operation. You were built on stolen money, and you continue to steal players money. Keep hiding behind your "rules" and your "judgments."
 

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In short, BoS (i) let the client join, (ii) posted rules that made it possible for them to screw him over and take winnings away, (iii) warned the client about the rules that screw him over but gave him bonuses on every deposit, (iv) continued to let him deposit money and lose thousands of dollars, and (v) was exited from the business with some of the money he won but not all of it and none of it that he lost before that.<!-- / message -->
 

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Following the continued posting on various Forum sites and conversations between several of our staff and moderators we have once again reviewed the situation with regard to this Client. Our review has not changed our opinion but has convinced us that we have been fair in the application of our rules and that the rules themselves are fair and reasonable.



Our policy on client confidentiality restricts our ability to argue our case in public . We will not compromise this policy even though in cases like this it would help us immensely because it makes it easy for anyone to make accusations against us.



We will as always abide by the decision of the independent arbitration service IBAS - we therefore suggest strongly that you recommend to the client that he takes his complaint to IBAS (Independent Betting Arbitration Service) at +44 207 8812690 or www.ibas-uk.co.uk for arbitration. We will provide IBAS with all the evidence we have regarding our decision including tapes, betting data and accounts information. We will follow whatever decision IBAS makes - Further if any amount is deemed due by IBAS to the customer then BETonSPORTS, Plc will pay 200% of that figure. However, if IBAS sides with BETonSPORTS, Plc, all we ask is that the client retract his negative statements, personally.

BETonSPORTS, Plc is a publicly traded and transparent organization. We are held, and abide, by some of the strictest regulations and auditing in the world. In no way do we, or would we, risk our reputation or the reputation of our stock holders by acting unprofessionally. We will never do anything other than deal with customers as fairly as possible as the success of the business today and in the future is based on first class customer service. This means having clear rules and following them. The situation being aired in the forum is being described from only the client's point of view, and our inability to break customer confidentiality restricts our ability to give you full detail.

Here is what we can provide:



· The client joined two brands within BETonSPORTS, Plc;

· When the client attempted to make his first large wager, he was informed by the stage manager that steam plays and syndicate plays would not be accepted;

· At least the next three (3) plays made by the client 'steamed' (and were also bet by other 'large' bettors);

· The client was warned at least one more time by the stage manager;

· The client's IP was then tracked and matched to at least two(2) other clients playing the exact same plays (same ones betting "his" plays);

· The clients account was therefore closed by us for contravention of rules;

· The client was paid his balance minus bonuses + winnings directly associated from bonuses.



In short, the client (i) joined, (ii) broke our rules, (iii) was warned about the rules, (iv) continued to break the rules, and (v) was exited from the business with his money + all money won directly associated with his money (the only thing removed from his balance was the bonus + winnings associated with bonus as he had not met the bonus rollover rules to which he agreed).

Thank you for your time - and, the ball is in the client's court.

I will have to watch my coworkers to make sure they dont play Bucsfan and Ace-Ace plays since we will be labeled a gambling operation.

ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT!
 

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Jay C said:
BetOnSports, still crooks, nothing has changed.

You can't take bets, allow the clients ot have money at risk and then cancel them after because they are "steam" or "syndicate" plays. You say you warned him three times but you kept soliciting his business, aggressively soliciting his business. You left that out.

If this player was making these unwanted "steam" and "syndicate" plays why did your company continue to aggressively market his account?

One or two matching IP's does not make for a syndicate.

Your whole syndicate/steam rule is unethical on the surface. It's not a license to steal, but you treat it as such.

If you want to toss the player that's your business, but you need to pro-rate the bonus and pay the player his balance, including the winnings from the bonus from plays already made. Otherwise you are jsut getting a free shot at his money. You enticed him to play with you with the bonus, you can't take away money he won off of it just because you decided he wasn't your type of player.

Let's see some dates of these "warnings" vs the dates of his deposits and bonuses. You didn't seem to have a problem with his steam/syndicate plays while he was losing.

IBAS, are you making the same offer to the player you stole $500,000 from? Can he go to the IBAS and get 200% back if he wins?

Your company is a joke. You wave around the fact that you are publicly traded like it somehow adds credibility to your scam operation. You were built on stolen money, and you continue to steal players money. Keep hiding behind your "rules" and your "judgments."

Solid post.
 

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What is wrong with going this route to settle this..

We will as always abide by the decision of the independent arbitration service IBAS - we therefore suggest strongly that you recommend to the client that he takes his complaint to IBAS (Independent Betting Arbitration Service) at +44 207 8812690 or www.ibas-uk.co.uk for arbitration. We will provide IBAS with all the evidence we have regarding our decision including tapes, betting data and accounts information. We will follow whatever decision IBAS makes - Further if any amount is deemed due by IBAS to the customer then BETonSPORTS, Plc will pay 200% of that figure. However, if IBAS sides with BETonSPORTS, Plc, all we ask is that the client retract his negative statements, personally.



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BOS pays the entire cost of the arbitration in any case.


wil.
 

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It's not run by BoS. It's a UK service, traditionally used to deal with disputes with high street bookmakers. They don't tend to have solid policies with bonus disputes however.
 

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wilheim said:
We will as always abide by the decision of the independent arbitration service IBAS - we therefore suggest strongly that you recommend to the client that he takes his complaint to IBAS (Independent Betting Arbitration Service) at +44 207 8812690 or www.ibas-uk.co.uk for arbitration. We will provide IBAS with all the evidence we have regarding our decision including tapes, betting data and accounts information. We will follow whatever decision IBAS makes - Further if any amount is deemed due by IBAS to the customer then BETonSPORTS, Plc will pay 200% of that figure. However, if IBAS sides with BETonSPORTS, Plc, all we ask is that the client retract his negative statements, personally.



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BOS pays the entire cost of the arbitration in any case.


wil.


wil, there is a MOB mentality right now, I studied this in university....

you cant win no matter what is done.
 

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IBAS is independently owed and used heavily in the UK for arbitration

Domain name:
ibas-uk.co.uk

Registrant:
mirror group

Registrant type:
Not supplied

Administrative contact's address:
Firstnet Services Ltd
Northwood House
195 North Street
Sheepscar, Leeds
LS7 2AA

Registrant's agent:
Easily Limited t/a easily.co.uk [Tag = WEBCONSULTANCY]
URL: http://www.easily.co.uk

Relevant dates:
Registered on: 03-Apr-2000
Renewal date: 03-Apr-2008
Last updated: 03-Oct-2005

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Registered until renewal date.

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I was just making a joke. :dancefool

I don't think BOS has anything to do with them.
 

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I was considering opening an account at this sportsbook.

After reading these threads regarding what they did to this guy there is absolutely 0% chance of that ever happening.
 

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Well well well, I am satisfied I'm sending 10 k to this book right now!
 

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For one thing, BOS is not a registered bookmaker at IBAS.

If BOS loses, will the Rx commit to removing them as a sponsor?
 

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What do they mean when they say they warned the player? Why not simply refuse the bet...not warn him. That is ridiculous plus!!
 

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honestly this is a silly response

he was such an unwelcome player you lavished bonuses on him

then you cut him off when he won

so your main problem is that you had 3 winning players on one game - hhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm

YOU ARE A BOOKMAKER - BOOKMAKER - BOOKMAKER

lol this is a complete loss for bos - it should send the stock plumetting on this stupidity
 

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