No Juice-Bet 4 Aces? Scam Books is this true?

gynecologist · Jun 16, 2006

I just read on SBR that No Juice and Bet4Aces are scams.

Look what is being said over there

"Only a scam would keep taking in deposits and send out absolutely zero payouts.
Only a scam would not send some money via WU to players.

You book the G-d damn bet, you pay the G-d damn bet"

"Whether NoJuice gets their hands on some cash or not, they are running a scam. The book acknowledges that it might not be able to pay but admits to taking new deposits. Not to mention the statement claiming that all balances are matched in a separate account"

Wow!! I had an account with No Juice cause of a forum that
pushed them on me. Thank God I got out a long time ago.

Never had an account with Bet4Aces the same forum that pushed
No Juice pushed Bet4Aces on me as well.

Well I guess this is a lesson for all of us.

Any new news on this anyone?

Buzzsaw · Jun 16, 2006

We have talked to Bet4aces and they have sent a few token payouts. We appreciate the fact they are showing an effort although they are still have to be considered a long shot to pull through long term.

NoJuice the situation there is worse. No payouts and no attempts at any payouts for the 3rd week. Still taking deposits though.

catsfan · Jun 16, 2006

I played with both of them. I received several payouts from each of them. Always very quickly and the customer service I was given at both books was excellent. I think everyone knew that NoJuice was destined for failure. There was no way they could survive. They gave huge bonuses and the low juice was more than any book could handle. Bet4Aces has surprised me with what has happened there the last few weeks. I really liked them. I currently have no money in either book and have no plans of sending any more to either of them after what has gone on lately at each book.

gynecologist · Jun 16, 2006

Thank God I got out when I did. Luckily none of my books stole
my money. I have been lucky.

Doug · Jun 16, 2006

catsfan said:
I played with both of them. I received several payouts from each of them. Always very quickly and the customer service I was given at both books was excellent. I think everyone knew that NoJuice was destined for failure. There was no way they could survive. They gave huge bonuses and the low juice was more than any book could handle. Bet4Aces has surprised me with what has happened there the last few weeks. I really liked them. I currently have no money in either book and have no plans of sending any more to either of them after what has gone on lately at each book.

Nojuice is done for sure, they had a chance but not enough backing. They paid fine for like 6 mos +, started to become trusted, and may have quite a bit on the books.

They'll never get the rep back, even if they pay everyone.

The big bonuses were only offered early on, the low juice was comparable to Trojan and Pinny. They could have pulled it off if they gained volume, which they would have if they could have made it another year. They lacked the resources to lose money until they started to make money. baseball probably hurt, as they were no better than others with lines. They were very attractive with hoops lines.

I hope Roberto pulls a wabbit out of his hat getting those owed paid.

This could be a nice spot for a book like Mansion to save the day. Those saved would probably stay loyal.

gynecologist · Jun 16, 2006

Doug said:
This could be a nice spot for Mansion

Presto · Jun 17, 2006

Great thread. I keep getting 25% re-load offers from No Juice, but after reading this it's No Chance for No Juice.

gynecologist · Jun 17, 2006

Stay away from NoJuice bro!!! Far away!! And any of their friends too

Doug · Jun 17, 2006

Actual photo of No Juice "offices" or "Three guys in a closet sportsbook" as SBR John calls them.

Really that is their office.

trytrytry · Jun 17, 2006

doug you called this no juice situation 6 weeks ago, thanks for the heads up, I did not pull out all however, egg on my face for that.... hope something happens...

TTinCO · Jun 17, 2006

If anyone is owed & having issues, email me at ttinco @ therx.com

We'll do whatever we can to help you.

Doug · Jun 17, 2006

trytrytry said:
doug you called this no juice situation 6 weeks ago, thanks for the heads up, I did not pull out all however, egg on my face for that.... hope something happens...

Not quite Try: in reality I warned you of a slow pay no more than 4 weeks ago, that I experienced, got me very suspicious of not being able to get $500 on Friday which was freeday, They said Monday ( actually paid it Sat).

At that point I warned Try to get out ( as we communicate privately at times). I didn't want to cause a run on the bank, but it was my warning to exit, only told Try, because he's exchanged info with me before.

Much later I told BDgear via PM at TOW, but too late there.

Minor partner Domenic ( in NJ) said i was pure class by not revealing info
on the slow pay, in a PM to me on Tow forum

It's most important that nobody deposit here now.

ChuckSims · Jun 17, 2006

Which one of these dogs did Roberto of TheOffShoreWire promote hard all the way to the slaughterhouse? Or was he involved in both?

dmmd98 · Jun 17, 2006

Chuck Sims said:
Which one of these dogs did Roberto of TheOffShoreWire promote hard all the way to the slaughterhouse? Or was he involved in both?

Both were listed under its rookie program

ChuckSims · Jun 18, 2006

dmmd98 said:
Both were listed under its rookie program

Amazing how he can do this. Does he not care? Apparently not as Roberto has upgraded BETonSports to the highest rating possible, the best of the best of off-shore sportsbooks, a "10" at his site.

Presto · Jun 18, 2006

Doug said:
Actual photo of No Juice "offices" or "Three guys in a closet sportsbook" as SBR John calls them.

Really that is their office.

I seen those guys. They were repairing roads last summer. At that time the guy with the hat was doing all the work.

Doug · Jun 18, 2006

Did they fill the pothole yet ?

mizagot · Jul 4, 2006

What's the latest on NoJuice?

And Roberto's forums have been down for a while (what's the ETA on that??)

Doug · Jul 4, 2006

mizagot said:
What's the latest on NoJuice?

And Roberto's forums have been down for a while (what's the ETA on that??)

Tow will be back up as soon as he gets back from his little trip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTCYLbFxTpI&search=gilligan%27s%20island

TTinCO · Jul 4, 2006

Doug said:
Nojuice is done for sure, they had a chance but not enough backing. They paid fine for like 6 mos +, started to become trusted, and may have quite a bit on the books.

I wouldn't say that NoJuice is done. We should have a much better idea before the end of the week.

If you have a balance there, please email me your account #, balance, and the date of any pending withdrawal requests. I have been in contact with them almost daily over the last 2-3 weeks.