ANOTHER BOS theft, yep brand new case.....

Reposted from SBR:

Although SEETHING, I have waited 3 days to share with you the blatant lies given to me by Mr. Clive Archer CEO at BOSon why they stole $4,358 from me!!

One, he said I have made various posts around the circuit. Totally false, I have told my story only once at SBR on June 12.

Two, my brother and I made bets from same IP address making me a syndicate ABSOLUTE LIE!! We hardly even discuss off shore wagering and I have never bet at his house and he hasn't been to mine!

Three, I am accused of betting $1000 on Yanks -11/2 at +135 and at same time Boston on money Line at +135. I'm not saying this might not have happened seeing +135 and realizing bet wrong one and canceled bet out but why would I intentionally put myself in a lose?lose situation if Yanks win by 1. Just a mistake!!! No espionage no cheating no expectation of either bet being applied to rollover . In fact I had already made rollover at betmill.

This is what the CEO of BOS is hanging his hat on as a reason for grand theft. I don't think so!! Thank God for watchdogs like SBR and Bill DOzer in particular who is seeing this case through to the end!!!
As a matter of fact and my last thought on this for now, I have asked for a full accounting record of my wagers since May 12 when I joined and in particular June 6 the day BOS has me trying to swindle them. I was promised I would have these in my hand yesterday. Do I have to say that nothing has come forth yet!!! There is nothing they can produce short of doctoring records (add forgery to their list of crimes)that they can offer so what better way than to not deliver.



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Now the guy is painted wise and his money stolen because he's betting polish middles? ucking:
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BTW Wil (or whomever) I realize we are beating a dead horse here so if you must then go ahead and move this, not my intention to keep piling on. But by the same token it's hard not to report these to other players so they realize it's not a 1 time deal, this is getting to be their standard procedure. With football season fast approaching I can only envision more problems than ever once that begins. What balls it must take to steal a players money and then give as one of the reasons that he has posted about it on the forums. What in the hell would that have to do with anything? No wonder so many of the sites refuse to speak out on this, sounds like BOS carries a big stick if you don't kiss their ass.


PS - I think Raiders is working on another small case for a guy associated with Dave Mattews over at Fezzik''s place too....

Patrick McIrish said:

BTW Wil (or whomever) I realize we are beating a dead horse here so if you must then go ahead and move this, not my intention to keep piling on. But by the same token it's hard not to report these to other players so they realize it's not a 1 time deal, this is getting to be their standard procedure. With football season fast approaching I can only envision more problems than ever once that begins. What balls it must take to steal a players money and then give as one of the reasons that he has posted about it on the forums. What in the hell would that have to do with anything? No wonder so many of the sites refuse to speak out on this, sounds like BOS carries a big stick if you don't kiss their ass.


PS - I think Raiders is working on another small case for a guy associated with Dave Mattews over at Fezzik''s place too....

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Here's what a layman is likely to do once he gets screwed by POS to find the forums:

Google

"Betonsports complaints"

comes up with some 14,000 results headed by recent stuff

If they continue stealing the cases will increase.

" Build it, they will come ! "

" Bilk them, they will find SBR"

Right or wrong is not my exact point here. My point is it seems as if the parent company is dancing with glee and relishing in the fact you cant do anything.

Beyond the different speculations advanced here something is not right with them what so ever. For arguments sake the community was split 50/50 on the new managment deal. They had to know they were crossing the line ad this would not be recieved well. There arrogance of football cures all and no one will care or know is a false one for them as they have made enemys in Vegas the likes of which they dont know.


Collectivly these people including myself will be saying more than has been said from Vegas in 15+ years now. Its an unwritten rule to stay neutral to the offshores and anything that goes on out there. Privately we feel its your right and choice and could truly care less as it is your buisness no matter what may be said publicly otherwise.


Anyone need but ask any of us our opinion or something along the lines of books that are bad that we hear about or something that springs boards any of us into some types of converstations we have had about out there and I can assure you now BoS/BetMill are done. The general public at large will know about them and there days are numbered. We will break one time on this one as they crossed a line unreal and something is deeply wrong in the background.




My proffessional opinion is that they are getiing killed in by what is known as the RANDOM MIDDLE FACTOR. Thye have no clue how to move there lines and there great big square base spread out over ALL there books is coming in randomly doing perfectly square things and scalping the shit out of them as a consequence. The panic displayed by the victims in these threads points this out to me. Canceling wagers hours after the fact. Accusations that make no common sense no matter how much one could try to defend them.


Its operational incompetence at its finest. Worse still there facing problems that are very common to modern merge era by now in Vegas and Robert Walker has mastered it very well. Its a model many companys are pursuing and finding out that it is very hard indeed and the back of the house issues that go along with it are tremendous. From all the horses mouths to your ears
when I say this. BOOKING IS THE EASY PART ITS THE OTHER STUFF THAT KILLS YOU. They are making the booking hard and saying screw you to the rest of the stuff because its to hard to deal with and is now way to big for there CLERKS to handle.


I will assume since they are publicly traded that all of there propertys are accounted for somewhere correctly and the numbers coming back are bad.
The revenue and profit that NEEDS to be there is not there is what I believe.
While they may not be losing money they are not making what they need to keep there overpriced stock that high. The pressure is on. They are under a full fledge panic and do not care what anyone thinks just save the shareholder value as best you can. Typical corprate bailout mentality as history has shown all. I believe in the not to distant future key managers will be departing as well as there is some selling off going on right now I would be willing to bet. I will add some watchdogs will be leaving with them.


Bounuses are killing solvent and insolvent books allike. In a publicly traded company that is short revenue the first thing they do is cut the most expensive thing first in this case its bonuses. BoS/BetMill will not and can not pay them because they are counting pennies and sweating there next report.
Its that simple.



BOTTOM LINE GREED KILLS. They sucked up all these places without a clue as to how to manage them there eyes on the money only as players poured in and out of the casinos. Players that are few and far in between during the lean days and they can not drive those fantastic numbers higher any more.
Its the same for a lot of places. When you add Arrogance and GREED together
what you get is over leveraging as you believe your own visions and think that it will never end. Therefore you spend money far into the future thinking you will get back and then some no problem.


Houston we have a problem as it dont work like that and the roosters are coming home to lay the hens. Sportingbet is another public company that fits
this model as well Bodog for the private ones and the big killer of them all.


Do not be surprised when this comes to pass as it is obvious to me this is what is happening and that ladies and gentleman is your view from the bottom.


GOOD LUCK AND BE CAREFUL.

SugarBear, BOS/Millennium are far from "done". The stiffing has gone on for years. My very first post at The RX nearly 6 years ago was that BetOnSports were crooks. They have been stiffing people since day one. Lying, stiffing, and cheating seems to flourish in the off-shore gambling world. Years ago MajorWager had these crooks in the "stockade". Now he is on their payroll, recommending this criminal enterprise as safe.

We posters are an extremely small fraction of sports bettors that bet off-shore. BOS knows this. Thats why they can rob us posters in broad daylight without the so called watchdog sites doing a damn thing about it, except to continue to promote them.

If BOS is such a hole, why does this site list it as the top listing
under the preferred book page?

Doesn't make much sense to me...

festeringZit said:

If BOS is such a hole, why does this site list it as the top listing
under the preferred book page?

Doesn't make much sense to me...

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Cause they paid this site to put them up there...

There have been dozens of shit books that advertised here, went under, and stole money from the players over the years...just cause they get a little banner up top has NOTHING to do with how good or honorable the book is...

BOS is just another in the long list of thieves that advertise on the forums...they may be a little less likely to go under, but they are still thieves...

If you play at BOS or if you listen to any of the mods here stating how great BOS is to them YOU ARE ONE DUMB FUCK - if you really think the RX is going to back BOS for 10k YOU ARE ONE DUMB FUCK.

lol - its just one after another

do these people have any integrity at all ?

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They should remove the ad, but what do I know. Mods will my post review me nowadays for saying anything bad about BOS.

In all honesty, I just don't see how anyone plays favorites in bases with them. Take the Yankees today. At BoS they were -185, while at Mansion and Bodog they were around -150. The Mets were -290 at BoS compared to 245 at Bodog. I can keep on going, but what for. The only value you get there is betting the dogs. I guess if you win with too many of those they change the line on you. I noticed during football season that there were plenty of dogs to make bets on since they moved the line so much.

You know there is plenty of money to be made bookmaking, so why does anyone have to steal?

If BOS, Millenium and any other book out there is fucking the players by not paying what is owed, TheRX should just tell these books to fuckoff and that TheRX is taking down their banner and seizing any advertising fees that may have been paid up front. They stole so we steal... oh and another thing...


NO MORE FUCKING BONUSES!!!!

This is getting tiresome, beat the book, then beat the bonus rollover, then try and get paid... holy fuck, I would have :nohead: by now.

I don't accept ANY bonus offer.. I deposit ,I win or lose, I withdraw or re-up!

festeringZit said:

If BOS is such a hole, why does this site list it as the top listing
under the preferred book page?

Doesn't make much sense to me...

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BOS pays phat ca$h for TheRX platinum rating.

Only play at the finest books and BOS isnt among that list.

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I can't believe that BOS gave posting on a forum a reason not to pay.


WTF does posting on a forum have to do with not paying this player???

Chuck Sims said:

SugarBear, BOS/Millennium are far from "done". The stiffing has gone on for years. My very first post at The RX nearly 6 years ago was that BetOnSports were crooks. They have been stiffing people since day one. Lying, stiffing, and cheating seems to flourish in the off-shore gambling world. Years ago MajorWager had these crooks in the "stockade". Now he is on their payroll, recommending this criminal enterprise as safe.

We posters are an extremely small fraction of sports bettors that bet off-shore. BOS knows this. Thats why they can rob us posters in broad daylight without the so called watchdog sites doing a damn thing about it, except to continue to promote them.

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Chuck you missed the point of what I said. Forget there stealing from people. There house of cards is falling. Serious economic pressure is coming to bear on them and its tied to shareholder value which they can not maintain. They are incompetent and greedy managers/clerks who have bitten off far more than they can chew and are facing serious internal pressure to perform and now I see KEEP THINGS QUIET. I am talking about shares that will drop 20-30 dollars if not more by Nov if there not careful.



The second you see members of there managment team start to depart you will know that everything I have said is right because those are whose handwriting will be on the wall as the second things corps do to cut expenses and save shareholder value will appear and thats CLOSE PLACES.



They have to much and the palyer comments about there line movements and reasoning behind decisions tells me so. In an all sqaure model IF you have a thousand guys making five 20 dollar bets a day you have a 100,000 exposed just like that. I think the average palyer is playing about 200 hundred per day so its really 200,000. In a single book thats manageable even if it has one or two shadow arms to be able to do things right according to what you have avaliable out there.


When you have 12+ other books its a problem in your model for the incompetent ones becasue RANDOM BET FACTOR takes over as squares dink and dunk bet as they figure out there different plays and angles and play it as soon as they are convinced. So what you have is an accumlation over several hours on games all over the place without knowing where the numbers will wind up when the real betting occurs starting 2 hours before game time. For a lot of square only books this a problem as they are unbalanced all over the place and in panic mode by the time things really start happening because its coming in to fast.
When you are trying to keep your numbers 15-25 cents ahead like the POS family on top of that....problems abound. Its why they keep citing bad lines. They dont know what they should be or how to move them.


They constantly look to others to tell them what the line should be instead of looking at there own and making them what they WANT them
to be and controlling there client base. THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO.




It wont be long. By the time the modern day ones in Vegas might have a chance to say anything they will be halfway on there way to done and if not we will give them a big push as the tatics are going to continue long into football even if I am 1000 percent wrong on everything else.




Bottom line they are taking free shots at peoples money regardless of the rules and making the decision thats most profitable to them after the fact.



Every true cardinal rule has been broken by them. It really has. With flagrant diregard and disrepect for both the bookmaking intitution and all it has stood for throughout time as well as the players who support it all with there wagering dollar.

Just in case someone thinks about depositing with BOS based on the glowing "sportsbook review" at either EOG or The RX.....bump.

Don't get me wrong. I like about everything at RX except the phony reviews. Everyone takes advertising banners with a grain of salt, but the "sportsbook review" section is very dishonest and misleading. Neither RX, EOG, or any site should pretend to review any book they accept money from.