If Sandy Koufax was in his prime pitching tommorow for KC, what would the line be?

CHOPTALK · Jun 18, 2006

Jun-18 969 KAN DUCKWORTH -R +210 o9 -110
2:05 PM 970 HOU A PETTITTE -L -230

Put Koufax in the place of Duckworth in his prime and everything else being 100% equal. Some exact team, same exact bullpen, same everything except for Koufax.

What do you think the line would be?

This part 1
I will be back with part 2 shortly

CHOPTALK · Jun 18, 2006

Jun-18 969 KAN DUCKWORTH -R +210 o9 -110
2:05 PM 970 HOU A PETTITTE -L -230

Heres part 2 of the question.

With the same exact pitching matchup as above, Add Pujois at first base, and Willie Mays in the outfield. Add both of those players to the Royals, not just one of them both of them with DUCKWORTH/PETTITTE. What would the line be then?

mofome · Jun 18, 2006

how old are u

CHOPTALK · Jun 18, 2006

mofome said:
how old are u

Its a very good question.

WHAT IS YOUR OPIONION?

CHOPTALK · Jun 18, 2006

Here is my line with koufax

Houston -123 to -130 at the very most.

Here is my line with Pujois and Mays

Houston -165 at least.

mofome · Jun 18, 2006

CHOPTALK said:
Its a very good question.

WHAT IS YOUR OPIONION?

seemingly one that confused you. if its that hard to get a simple answer out of you, i think i had better spend my time talking with others.

btw, your lines are silly. IMO

bol

:103631605

CHOPTALK · Jun 18, 2006

mofome said:
seemingly one that confused you. if its that hard to get a simple answer out of you, i think i had better spend my time talking with others.

btw, your lines are silly. IMO

bol

I guess my question must have confused you to because you did not answer it.

Telling me my lines are silly and you wont even give your own opionion. Talk about going out on a limb. :103631605

mofome · Jun 18, 2006

Perhaps if there was a thread entitled, "tell us your age", i wouldnt have had to ask. seeing that there is not, i was left to ask you in a thread where such a question would be off topic.
based soley on your replies im guessing under 25.

BOL

watch some tapes of koufax and then give me a new line.

:suomi:

CHOPTALK · Jun 18, 2006

Click on my name CHOPALK right above the Reggie Bush pic. Then click view public profile, and it will tell you everything you need to know.

mofome · Jun 18, 2006

ah, thank u.

i was made to believe u were much younger. you're a wild personality none the less, but pleased to know i was not having any sort of a back and forth with a 20 year old.

BOL to you.

my line would be
KC -210

im playing KC today, i would certainly hammer them with sandy on the hill. sandy could go 13 innings if you wanted. no fear of the KC pen.
hell, a guy like Johnson would throw both games of a double header. different times.

:money:

FairWarning · Jun 18, 2006

CHOPTALK said:
Its a very good question.

WHAT IS YOUR OPIONION?

It would be no different than the lines that were hung on Clemens last year. He was awesome, but Houston didn't score in 9 games he started.

CarolinaKid · Jun 18, 2006

Chop dont get me wrong here but should this get be not in RR room, we are trying to win in today baseball world,lord know it hard enough to pick winners this year,why kept this at the top of the page when people want to try to get a good angel at today games.again not trying to come down it just this forum is getting bog down with a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with what we are trying to do,that is helping each other to make some money with the games.just my thought if im wrong here then it my mistake.gltu..ck

CHOPTALK · Jun 18, 2006

carolinakid said:
Chop dont get me wrong here but should this get be not in RR room, we are trying to win in today baseball world,lord know it hard enough to pick winners this year,why kept this at the top of the page when people want to try to get a good angel at today games.again not trying to come down it just this forum is getting bog down with a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with what we are trying to do,that is helping each other to make some money with the games.just my thought if im wrong here then it my mistake.gltu..ck

I had a very good reason for this post.

Trying to confirm that 70% of baseball capping is the pitching position.

If most agree that the ROYALS would go from +220 to almost a favorite just on a pitching change, maybe it pitching is that important.

DONT YOU THINK?

CarolinaKid · Jun 18, 2006

i really dont think pitching is 70% here just my opinion as we each cap our own way but pitching is not as big now as say back in the 80's or 90's imo..ck

Iceman · Jun 18, 2006

it's not Pujols and mays. It's the ENTIRE team offense, not one guy but one offensive team versus another, not 1 or 2 players.

davidbird · Jun 18, 2006

I'd take Koufax even as a favorite. I remember seeing him pitch, and the Dodgers didn't get him many runs. Heck, with a pitching rotation of Koufax, Drysdale, Podres, and a kid named Sutton they didn't need to score much. KC defense isn't nearly as good, but their run support may even be better. Give me KC/Koufax up to -140 at least.

davidbird · Jun 18, 2006

Found this:

After the ’63 World Series, in which Sandy Koufax beat Whitey Ford twice in five days as the Dodgers swept the Yankees, Yogi Berra said, "I can see how he won 25 games. What I don't understand is how he lost five."

In that ’63 season, Sandy was 25-5, with 11 shutouts and a 1.88 ERA.

Who cares if KC is crap; how good you gotta be behind a 1.88 ERA.

Dubpoet · Jun 18, 2006

More importantly the Total would be 6 under -115

pool · Jun 18, 2006

If I could get KC at even money with Koufax on the mound I would unload on them. As one poster mentioned you wouldn't have to worry about the crappy KC bullpen. Most likely Sandy would go 9 innings. Back in the 60's all the TOP pitchers went 9 innings, ALOT. I saw him pitch and there's just three words to describe his stuff. NASTY, NASTIER, AND NASTIEST. I saw a comment just the other day by one of the greats. I forgot who it was, I want to say Willie Stargel. When ask what the best day for him in baseball was he answered the day Sandy Koufax retired. That says it all.

Budworth22 · Jun 18, 2006

KC +131 is kc had koufax in his prime. Remember, he wouldn't likely go 9 innings. Today's game is much more complex. Almost every pitch requires max effort.

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