Would you want Roger Clemens as your teammate?

Iceman · Jun 22, 2006

I know he is great and I no this is a real dumb compairison but when I played highly competitive softball a few years ago we had guys that just showed up for tournaments and most of the teammates resented them even though they were the best players on the team. Something about not being in the daily grind with your teammates that makes me lose respect for him. I have to beleieve that a few players would rather go to battle with guys that care.

I heard a rumor that the games he does not pitch he won't travel with the team, if this is the case than he is put above everyone else on the team and that seems like it would be a slight distraction. I know this kind of crap goes on in today sports and he isn't the first one to do stuff like this but I just wouldn't be happy about it.

I know he brings a ton to the table and is a first ballot HOF'er but just can't get over the fact he is not involved in the day to day aspects of the team. I know he is one of the best but if I had a vote, I would ask Roger " 100%, Are you in or are you out"

kid44 · Jun 22, 2006

He is another Barry Bonds. Although I think he will go down as one of the best pitchers in a long time, to dictate where and when he will play is just not enough for me. What kind of a message does it send to the young players? I had my largest play of the year tonight as I went against Rog. Easy to say after the fact but true.

Hate attention whores in pro sports.

They should be as geniune as Wade as he will go down as an MJ in this era.

Kid44

Doug · Jun 23, 2006

He didn't travel LAST year.

Boxslayer · Jun 23, 2006

The biggest "Big League" thing I've ever seen, outside of Manny Ramirez wearing an mp3 player in left field, is #22 Roger Clemens signing for 22 million, and 22 dollars. $22,000,022

That's absolutely BIG LEAGUE. 4-A shit.

Manny Ramirez wears mp3 players in LF, he brings a water bottle in his back pocket, he doesnt run out routine ground balls.

That's a much bigger disgrace to the game than not traveling with the team so you can spend time with your family. He's 43 years old. He's approaching 50. It's not like hes 26 and hes doing it. He pitches once, he's out on that mound by himself, it doesnt effect their hitting or fielding.

So I can see that side of it.

The other side of it, coming together as a family, breeding a winning attitude, being there for your teammates, etc. Just depends how important that is to you (winning in my mind), and if you really think it effects you or not.

I bet on road trips, they dont even remember that hes gone unless they get reminded somehow. He just sits in the dugout with a jacket on. The occasional high 5. Pre-game he walks around, shoots the shit, signs autographs, gets arm treatment. Not missing a whole bunch.

Doug · Jun 23, 2006

He's the only one, I don't like the precedent.

Fishhead · Jun 23, 2006

BOX--Slamming MANNY.

Obviously you are a RED SOX hater.

No?

Fishhead · Jun 23, 2006

MANNY has 3x the class that the Rocket has.

lander · Jun 23, 2006

Clemens is bad for baseball.

Uno · Jun 23, 2006

If he is pitching like he has the last two years I want him absolutely. First the Astros go to the NL championships and then the World Series with the guy.

Also the comparison to Bonds is horrible. Yes Roger is a pre-madonna, but he is a huge asset to young pitchers in every city he has played in.

With that said Manny is great in my book as well which means I have different standards.

Oh yea and O.J. was framed.

whalewager · Jun 23, 2006

Clemens is a very classy guy. Ramirez is a thug.

Fishhead · Jun 23, 2006

lander said:
Clemens is bad for baseball.

Possibly the greatest pitcher in my lifetime considering EVERYTHING he has accomplished.

However, I have very little respect for many things he has done over his carrer that are total bullshit.

I could go on and on, but will not spend the time on this guy.

Fishhead · Jun 23, 2006

whalewager said:
Clemens is a very classy guy. Ramirez is a thug.

WHATEVER!

Sure most of AMERICA is probably in agreement with you more than not.

CONGRATS

charleslanger · Jun 23, 2006

doc44 said:
...Yes Roger is a pre-madonna...

Funny, but you're combo correct on both counts:

Primma Donna & also pre-dated Madonna.

Puccini · Jun 23, 2006

Clemens is one of the greatest pitchers of all time--no doubt about it.

But...he's like a Stepford Wife or something. Perfect....but terribly wrong as well.

tkf18ny · Jun 24, 2006

Manny has zero class. he was born to hit a baseball but hes a pure asshole. He has hit as good as Boston hoped when they signed him if not better and they still wanted to release him what does that tell u?

I dont love what Clemens does but he has earned his perks. Hes not some 27 year old hotshot who had one good year and wants the VIP treatment.
It sets a bad precedent but its better than some punk like Lasting Milliege whose been in the majors for a month walking around like he owns Shea Stadium. Hes a showboat, he didnt run a ball out and got thrown out at the plate because of it and when Randolph confronted him about it he said "it didnt cost us the game."Lovely. He was then an hour late to the next game.

Clemens deserves the benefit of the doubt. He works out like a football player and doesnt do anything half ass.

Illini · Jun 24, 2006

Clemens is a great competitor, and I respect that. But he's far from a great guy. I went to professional umpire school, and Jim Evans read to us from some of his old ejection reports. He once tossed Clemens, and Clemens called him a cocksucker and a motherfucker about 3-4 times, said that he knew where he lived in the winters, (Texas) and that he would come find him. I know that his competitive spirit probably made him say some things he regrets, but it wasn't pretty hearing all the direct quotes. Class is not a word I would use in the same sentence as Roger Clemens.

Boxslayer · Jun 24, 2006

Fishhead said:
BOX--Slamming MANNY.

Obviously you are a RED SOX hater.

No?

I dont hate Manny. I love Manny. But he's classless. Not sure if Manny can disagree with that??

He's the ultimate big leaguer.

Wears mp3 players in the OF.
Brings water bottles in his back pocket.
Doesnt run out groundballs.
Trade demands.
Pimps homeruns worse than any other player.

I like it. Now, I hope everyone doesnt do it. It would be bad for the game. But its cool to have a guy or two that do it.

whalewager · Jun 24, 2006

Illini said:
Clemens is a great competitor, and I respect that. But he's far from a great guy. I went to professional umpire school, and Jim Evans read to us from some of his old ejection reports. He once tossed Clemens, and Clemens called him a cocksucker and a motherfucker about 3-4 times, said that he knew where he lived in the winters, (Texas) and that he would come find him. I know that his competitive spirit probably made him say some things he regrets, but it wasn't pretty hearing all the direct quotes. Class is not a word I would use in the same sentence as Roger Clemens.

So you are saying that because a guy calls an ump a cocksucker or mother fucker, he is classless?

Buddy, no one in the majors has class then. Did you ever play sports competitively?

I call people cocksuckers all the time. Mother fuckers too. I would be willing to bet that anyone that you talk to that knows me would say I am total class.

ALERT! anyone that has ever called a person a cocksucker or motherfucker has no class.

whalewager · Jun 24, 2006

Organizations that have benefited from
The Roger Clemens Foundation include:
Assistance League of Houston
The Children's Assessment Center
Children At Risk
DePelchin Children's Center
Linda Lorelle Scholarship Fund
The Children's Art Project at MD Anderson
Texas Adaptive Aquatics
The Twin Towers Fund
The Boys and Girls Clubs of America
Make-A-Wish Foundation
Cystic Fibrosis
Star of Hope
Texas Children's Hospital
The Arbor House
The Variety Club of Houston
St. Francis Episcopal Day School
Montgomery County Youth Services
San Jacinto Museum Foundation
Spring Branch Independent School District

whalewager · Jun 24, 2006

Rocket is total class in my book.

Keep throwing at their chin Roger.

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