Dog -1.5 & Fav -1.5 MONDAY July 3rd

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Well, I had lots of family activities this last weekend and did not have time to keep up to date at the Rx! But it is time to get back at it.

On my last day, Friday, we had a great day for Method 1: +3.08 units

Minimal Day for Method 2: +.19 units
Remember, though...Method 2 is much safer!


Method 1: both -1.5

Giants
Padres
LOST 200

Devil Rays +105

Marlins +68

Rangers +90

Twins +35

Diamondbacks +90

Rockies +120


Method 2: dog ml and fav -1.5

Giants
Padres
LOST 200

Devil Rays +37

Marlins +68

Rangers +0

Twins +35

Diamondbacks +27

Rockies +52


Method 1: both -1.5
OVERALL: +6.82 units over 29 plays
Rate of Return: 6.82 units/58 units risked = 11.8%


Method 2: dog ml and fav -1.5
OVERALL: +1.46 units over 16 plays
Rate of Return: 1.46 units/32 units risked = 4.6%


Plays for Monday coming up later..... Good luck! tulsa
 

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20-5, +$193.08

Yesterday:
7-1 +$148.81

Plays:
7/3 $58.26 on CIN -1.5@+135
7/3 $41.74 on MIL -1.5@+228

7/3 $57.04 on FLA -1.5@+141
7/3 $42.96 on WSH -1.5@+220

7/3 $52.75 on STL -1.5@+166
7/3 $47.25 on ATL -1.5@+197

7/3 $65.81 on BOS -1.5@+100
7/3 $34.19 on TB -1.5@+285

7/3 $76.87 on MIN -1.5@-163
7/3 $23.13 on KC -1.5@+435

7/3 $36.97 on CHC -1.5@+270
7/3 $63.03 on HOU -1.5@+117

7/3 $50.62 on LAA -1.5@+178
7/3 $49.38 on SEA -1.5@+185

7/3 $56.94 on DET -1.5@+145
7/3 $43.06 on OAK -1.5@+224

7/3 $40.62 on ARI -1.5@+245
7/3 $59.38 on LAD -1.5@+136

so far so good...let's see if it holds up
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<TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=page><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=bottom><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">goodcall</TD><TD class=smallfont align=right>06-29-2006 05:25 PM</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><HR>Assuming every game in the following years "qualified" by ML as a play, you would need the average of the two runlines to be the at least the following in order to turn a profit:

1999: +179
2000: +178
2001: +172
2002: +176
2003: +172
2004: +171
2005: +183

So far in 2006 the figure is +176...I'm hoping 2005 was just a freak year and not a trend that is going to continue.

Remember, these numbers assume that no game is more likely to end in a one-run game than another, which is a BAD assumption...just trying to get some numbers out there.

Games that are expected to be close have better RLs. I'll look at the MLs to see how much more frequently games that are expected to be close end in 1-run games than the games in which there is a clear winner expected. I'll post these numbers when I get them.
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Here's the number everyone is waiting for - in those two years, the average of the RL and ARL you get should be no less than +180 to be profitable. This is for the PK games. The cut-off number drops gradually from 180 the more one team is favored by. So, if the ML is -195 for the favorite and +205 for the dog, bet the RL and ARL on the game if you can get the average of the two for +174 or better.

I haven't gone back to see how many games qualify under these contraints, but I can't imagine it's very many. Of course, that won't keep me from looking for them.

One more thing - on this kind of thing, always bet so you'll win the same amount no matter who wins for maximum profit...kind of like the sportsbooks try to set the line right in the middle of the action.

Please give me some feedback on what you think about this and where I should go from here. I have 5 more years of data, but I'm convinced that will only mimic the two years I have sorted through so I'd rather not waste my time going through it. Sorry if any of these points have already been posted...I'm late joining this party.

Thoughts please!!!
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Out of all the games this year there have been 146 games that have had a runline of 10.5 or greater

Of those 146 games if you were to bet the -1.5 Fav and -1.5 Dog Blindly your win loss record would be 110 Wins and 36 losses

now having said that

Of those 146 games if you were to bet the -1.5 Fav and MoneyLine Dog Blindly your win loss record would be 118 Wins and 28 Losses


*note none of these games have been counted twice so these are the correct numbers

Shipdapaper
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I appreciate the input given on this method. Thanks Shipdapaper and goodcall for your work looking into the historical data!

Good luck today. tulsa
 

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>>>Of those 146 games if you were to bet the -1.5 Fav and -1.5 Dog Blindly your win loss record would be 110 Wins and 36 losses<<<

Here is the problem with this method without any other criteria for further narrowing which games to use: 36 losses means 36*200=7200 which divided by 110 shows that each of the 110 wins must average +$66 return just to break even.

I'm not sure that it is possible to get an average of $66 return on each of them....

tulsa
 

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i agree but how bout this......take the 10.5 totals and only play the ones that have avg +180 MoneyLine per goodcalls rule? just a thought not sure what the outcome would be but i know it should drop the amount of play down to and hopefully drop the amount of losses

*note of all those games that i looked up the Rockies were the cause of 16 wins and 8 lossed might be better to ommit them all together
 

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im tracking it now, with the (10.5) totals.. fri/sat/sun: 7-0

went back thru april and it was only 28-8 and 5 of the 8 losses were the rockies..

looks like 2 games today..... yanks/clev and tor/tex...... lets see if either of those land on one..

would the books gripe, if you played thru a rollover like this?
 

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1st game for MONDAY:

MONDAY:

Method 1: both teams -1.5

Cinci -1.5 +140
Milwaukee -1.5 +195

Method 2: Dog ML & Fav -1.5

Cinci -1.5 +140
Milwaukee -105
 

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Method 1: both teams -1.5

Cinci -1.5 +140
Milwaukee -1.5 +195

Florida -1.5 +135
Washington -1.5 +205

St. Louis -1.5 +155
Atlanta -1.5 +190

Arizona -1.5 +215
LA Dodgers -1.5 +135

Toronto -1.5 +135
Texas -1.5 +178


Method 2: Dog ML & Fav -1.5

Cinci -1.5 +140
Milwaukee -105

Florida -1.5 +135
Washington +107

St. Louis -1.5 +155
Atlanta -104

Arizona +144
LA Dodgers -1.5 +135

Toronto -1.5 +135
Texas +101
 

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SSI said:
would the books gripe, if you played thru a rollover like this?

probably depends on the book, but I'd suggest playing one side at one book and the other side at another unaffiliated book, so it's not so obvious you're betting both sides.
 

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Good day going so far....outside of cinci and milwaukee, that is.

If Texas holds a two run advantage to end then this will be paying money IF we can get the last game of the day: Ariz/LA Dodgers.

Remember, in all honesty, I do not play these for money right now. I am trying to see if I can finesse winners and am not using a system. Good luck and don't put real money on this until we see that we consistently win. Good luck. tulsa
 

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now 9-0 fri-mon on the (10.5) totals

i backtested april: 28-8 (about break even) and first 10 days of may, which were about breakeven..
 

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SSI, I always appreciate having anything you find! Thanks for the input.

This may not pay in the long run but it has been fun to see guys participate in an experiment; with different takes and methods. Good luck. tulsa
 

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Method 1: both teams -1.5

Cinci
Milwaukee
LOSE 200

Washington +105

Atlanta +90

LA Dodgers +35

Texas +78


Method 2: Dog ML & Fav -1.5

Cinci -1.5 +140
Milwaukee -105
$0 on this one...

Washington +7

St. Louis -1.5 +155
Atlanta -104
$0 on this one...

LA Dodgers +35

Texas +1

Method 1: both -1.5
OVERALL: +7.90 units over 34 plays
Rate of Return: 7.90 units/68 units risked = 11.6%


Method 2: dog ml and fav -1.5
OVERALL: +1.89 units over 21 plays
Rate of Return: 1.89 units/42 units risked = 4.5%


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I'll get tomorrow's plays out tomorrow if the Pinnacle site is back up

YTD:
27-7, +$259.65

Yesterday:
7-2 +$66.57
 

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