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By NANCY ZUCKERBROD
Associated Press Writer



WASHINGTON



Gamblers who prefer their laptops to blackjack tables won't like what Congress is doing. On Tuesday, the House plans to vote on a bill that would ban credit cards for paying online bets and could padlock gambling Web sites.
The legislation would clarify existing law to spell out that it is illegal to gamble online.
To enforce that ban, the bill would prohibit credit cards and other payment forms, such as electronic transfers, from being used to settle online wagers. It also would give law enforcement officials the authority to work with Internet providers to block access to gambling Web sites.
Some opponents of the legislation say policing the Internet is impossible, that it would be better to regulate the $12 billion industry and collect taxes from it. The online gambling industry is based almost entirely outside the United States, though about half its customers live in the U.S.
Other critics complain that the bill doesn't cover all forms of gambling. They point to exemptions they say would allow online lotteries and Internet betting on horse racing to flourish.
"If you're going to support legislation that is supposed to 'prohibit gambling,' you should not have carve-outs," said Andrea Lafferty, executive director of the conservative Traditional Values Coalition.
Other conservative and antigambling groups are supporting the legislation, sponsored by Reps. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., and Jim Leach, R-Iowa.
John Kindt, a business professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign who has studied the issue, calls the Internet "the crack cocaine" of gambling.
"There are no needle marks. There's no alcohol on the breath. You just click the mouse and lose your house," he said.
Congress has considered similar bills several times before. In 2000, disgraced lobbyist Jack Ambramoff led a fierce campaign against it on behalf of an online lottery company.
Online lotteries are allowed in the latest bill, largely at the behest of states that increasingly rely on lotteries to augment tax revenues.
Pro-sports leagues also like the bill, arguing that Web wagering could hurt the integrity of their sports.
The horse racing industry also supports the bill because of the exemption it would get. Horse racing states would not be prohibited from any activity allowed under the Internet Horseracing Act. That law written in the 1970s set up rules for interstate betting on racing. It was updated a few years ago to clarify that betting on horse racing over the Internet is allowed.
Greg Avioli, chief executive officer of the National Thoroughbred Racing Association, said the mention of horse racing in the bill is "a recognition of existing federal law," not a new carve-out.
He said the racing industry has a strong future in the digital age and acknowledged the bill would send Internet gamblers to racing sites. "They'd return to the one place they can bet legally," Avioli said.
That's what some critics say is unfair.
"Somehow we find ourselves in a situation where Congress has gotten in the business of cherry-picking types of gambling," complained Rep. Robert Wexler, D-Fla. Wexler had tried unsuccessfully to include exemptions for dog racing and jai alai, both popular in Florida.
The Justice Department has taken a different view on the legality of Internet betting on horse races. In a World Trade Organization case involving Antigua, the department said online betting on horse racing remains illegal under the 1961 Wire Act despite the existence of the more recently passed Interstate Horseracing Act.
The department hasn't actively enforced its stance, but observers say it is possible the agency and the racing industry could face off in court in the future.
Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., is leading support for the ban in the Senate. The issue has so far not been debated in that chamber this year.



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Was wanting some opinions on what to do here. This was an article I ran across on the net and it sounds like what we do is going to be coming to an end. Should I cashout all my accounts now or wait until it is passed and take a chance on losing everything?
 

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Passing the HOUSE means nothing.

The SENATE is where the sweat begins.
 

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NO NO NO. Its not getting the money. It will be hard to get the book the money if this happens. You want your money in there already to play.
 

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So if it's already in there and I continue to play then how will i get it out?
 

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Checks will be the only way. Only problem might be---no place to spend the cash in jail!
Might sound far-fetched. But with what has happened in the state of Washington.....welcome to reality!

The offshores needed a lobbyiest!
 

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Banks in the future will have a hard time telling what is an illegal offshore operation or not because you will be sending money to places that dont have gaming related names at all. Thats just to start. The banks told congress months ago they can not enforce this law there are to many international transactions as there is now to monitor. See the phone companies from the 80's for a good example.

What will happen when they do try is the whole system will slow down for non gaming buisnesses because the proliferation of gaming sites with ACME like names will sprout all over the place.


All regulation does is stop the goverment from accusing both sides of being in bed with each other. It however does not srop them of accusing you of wrongdoing and jeporadize your job. Once the gov goes after the banks for not catching these gaming companies in sheeps clothing all international internet commerce slows way down because banks will be too scared to process anything fearing its a gaming company and that they will be charged with stuff.



Deputizing has never worked for long.
 

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I am of the opinion that you would be safe to have your money in the books or your banking option, BUT.... The whole market would go to shit and that would not matter.

The answer to the question in this thread is if this gets passed eventually then yes, get your funds out.
 

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It also would give law enforcement officials the authority to work with Internet providers to block access to gambling Web sites.


how sad is that? Oh well though, what can you expect from a fascist goverment.
 

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What a bummer the Congress cracking down on online gambling. What we do on the internet should be our business. The Govt always sticking their noses in everybody's business. What are we going to do as gamblers? This is going to make life really boring if I cant gamble on sports. Congress always trying ruin all the Fun.
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Sugarbear said:
Banks in the future will have a hard time telling what is an illegal offshore operation or not because you will be sending money to places that dont have gaming related names at all. Thats just to start. The banks told congress months ago they can not enforce this law there are to many international transactions as there is now to monitor. See the phone companies from the 80's for a good example.

What will happen when they do try is the whole system will slow down for non gaming buisnesses because the proliferation of gaming sites with ACME like names will sprout all over the place.


All regulation does is stop the goverment from accusing both sides of being in bed with each other. It however does not srop them of accusing you of wrongdoing and jeporadize your job. Once the gov goes after the banks for not catching these gaming companies in sheeps clothing all international internet commerce slows way down because banks will be too scared to process anything fearing its a gaming company and that they will be charged with stuff.



Deputizing has never worked for long.

I too have my doubts that this can be enforced - though I am still worried. But I mean people do use services like neteller for things other than gambling. The govt is going to tell the banks to do no more transactions of any kind with neteller because neteller deals with gaming sites? Neteller would stand to lose a fortune and wouldn't take it lying down. What about other middle man sites? Will be interesting (if it passes) to see exactly what measures they will take
 

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The Republican party does not want to take your gambling away completely. I am happy to report that you will be able to play the state lottery via the internet. Horseracing too! Apparently losing your house to gambling is ok as long as its to the government.
 
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Chuck Sims said:
The Republican party does not want to take your gambling away completely. I am happy to report that you will be able to play the state lottery via the internet. Horseracing too! Apparently losing your house to gambling is ok as long as its to the government.

That's basically it. The only problem is that we don't have our taxing fingers in it.
 

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im still hoping pinnacle, mansion, wsex, cris and the greek will come up with a debit card or something. it would make me feel alot better and id keep everything with them.
 

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Would they be able to eliminate Neteller it has nothing to do with gambling?
This another way to put more stress on americans trying ban online gaming!
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These bills are a long ways from passing and a long ways from changing anything.

If these bills pass, they will be nearly impossible to enforce:

1. Banks do not have the time or the money to enforce this. When you wire money to a sportsbook in the Caribbean, you do not wire it to WE BET HERE.com. You wire it to Frank Caralis or whatever. Are banks going to be expected to know every name of every person collecting money for books around the world? Someone please explain how every bank is going to know every person around the world who takes in money for wagering.

2. There will always be processors like Neteller. Neteller is harbored in the UK and it is unlikely the US will shut them down. If they do, there will be 10 new netellers. It would make sense for the top tier books to band together and open their own processor. You might shut down neteller. You will not shut down a processer own by the books themselves in places where they are legal.

3. The government can not afford to prosecute and jail all of these "offenders". Right now, 1/130 americans is in prison. If every internet gambler was added, it would be 1/6 or 1/7 - probably 1/3 employed with incomes over $50,000. Most internet gamblers have above average incomes and pay taxes. Who is going to pay to keep these people in jail? We do not have enough prison space to keep rapists and murderers locked up. Now we are gonna lock up soldiers, doctors, attorneys, accountants, business people, teachers, etc who happen to bet football?

4. The government doesnt really want to outlaw internet gambling - if they did, they would pass an enforceable law. They simply want to get more votes and look good.

5. You would have to be convicted by a jury of your peers. I find it hard to believe that you are going to find many juries - 15-20% of which gamble online and 80+% who in the Wall St journal said internet gambling should not be illegal, is going to feel ok with sending people betting online to jail.

6. How are ISPs going to block internet sites with gambling? I already get 100 emails each day from sportsbooks. If the isps start blocking sites, books will simply move them around.


Now if the government really wanted to get rid of internet gambling they would do the following:

They would issue something like parking tickets for online gambling (Audit internet connections) and bill you $50 or $100 every time you gamble online. Good luck getting this through congress and even then, it would likely have to be at the state level to be enforced.

If the government is really concerned about people going bankrupt, losing their homes, etc, simply offer a license to gamble online - require people show reasonable employment or 3 months expenses in the bank or whatever...

But best of all, let this country remain FREE. It's hard to tell those soldiers in Iraq to keep fighting for freedom when you are taking it away. I can't wait till the first guy who just gets back from war for freedom gets arrested for playing poker.

Odds the vote this week gets tabled again so that there is not chance it does not pass making online gambling 100% federally legal:


-350 Gets tabled again
+310 Goes to an actual vote
 

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Eliminating Neteller is very unlikely.

The US government could try to say Neteller allows terrorists to process transactions or allows money laundering. In these cases, they would have to point out specific accounts to freeze. This is what the government did to WWTS a while back.

Neteller is a company regulated by the UK banking laws and on the UK stock exchange. I find it very hard to believe that the US is going to attack a banking institute doing business in our biggest war ally's country.

If Neteller was still only in the Isle of Man, I would be concerned.

Shutting down neteller is akin to England shutting down Paypal, Google, or Wachovia.

-Sean
 

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id get out of small books or those who offer big bonuses as those are the ones who would have less cash available shud something go wrong

also what wud their incentive be to pay you back anyway if they are in effect put out of business

the larger books probably come up with their own payment method because they would be able to afford it

if the whole thing blows over redeposit at the smaller places
 

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