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I worked with a poker dealer in Vegas at the IP. He was a retired judge that had presided over big trials, including some murder trials. This guy had sentenced people to death several times. He was big time. And he told me that he had been betting offshore for years and had little concern over the legality of it. I'll introduce you guys to him at the bash, and maybe we can ask him some questions and get his expert legal opinion again. But I'm pretty sure there are many judges and politicians that are betting with the mob and offshore. I think we all need to just drink more beer and place more bets.
 

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Well said Ill.

I was worried the first day, then once you look over the facts. And the history. Really no need for concern.

Whats going on is unique and the rep bill timing was a mere coincidence. There is no 'huge crackdown' on OS gaming going on. That's non sense.
 

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First, this bill as i understand it is very unlikely to reach the Senate for a vote.

It's going to dry up and die.

But let's say, for argument's sake, that it does pass, if not this year than next(Tho if it doesn't get thru in '06 it looks dead for many years.)

The books that will likely be most affected are the ones that cater primarily to US bettors. Those in Central America, esp costa rica. The books that have a lot of European or Asian bettors won't be much hurt.

But it's all academic, as far as I can see. Why are so many so nervous?
 

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The bill is meaningless.

Banks can not enforce it. When is the last time you wired money to wetakebets.com?

The DOJ does not have prison space for 40,000,000 americans.

ISPs will not be shut down. There are 1000s and if necessary, books will set up offshore 800 number ISPs.

As long as books can make millions of dollars, books will function.

Prohibition did not work with alcohol. Drugs are supposedly prohibited, yet any drug can be found in any city in this country. Prostitution is illegal, yet you can have a perfect 10 in your room in 30 minutes. jaywalking is illegal yet people cross the street. Prohibiting internet gambling will have no effect.

The only effect I can see is that directors and CEOs will not come here anymore.


Now all of this is not true if one of two things happens:

1. other countries extradite (Dont count on it)
2. the us uses it's military to go make arrests (Dont count on it - IF they planned to do this, they would have already. We had no problem marching into Iraq. If America wanted to spend billions to outlaw internet gambling, they would have already flown into CR and shut it down.)

The BOS thing happened because a CEO who was associated with a guy who did all sorts of illegal things in the USA decided to enter the USA. This will not happen again.

Calvin's new flight plan is CR to London to Toronto or CR to Sydney to Vancouver. I bet the guy doesnt even fly over the US anymore.

-Sean
 

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People who strictly bet sports may be able to survive (at least until the next, even more restrictive bill is introduced), but this bill will finish online poker in the U.S. Not because it won't be possible to find a way to play, but because it will dry up the supply of recreational players. Once there is nobody left except professionals who are willing to search for alternate means of funding their accounts the game won't be worth playing.

With all due respect, saying that we have nothing to worry about is playing right into the hands of the people who are trying to take your rights away.
 

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QuickLearner said:
People who strictly bet sports may be able to survive (at least until the next, even more restrictive bill is introduced), but this bill will finish online poker in the U.S. Not because it won't be possible to find a way to play, but because it will dry up the supply of recreational players. Once there is nobody left except professionals who are willing to search for alternate means of funding their accounts the game won't be worth playing.

With all due respect, saying that we have nothing to worry about is playing right into the hands of the people who are trying to take your rights away.


Although I respect and hope poster Illini's thought are true, I agree with you.

My personal feelings on this are that we individuals that wager offshore in these UNITED STATES are facing elimination very soon.

Just not optimistic at this time and probably just preparing myself for the worst scenario more than anything.
 

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Illini said:
I worked with a poker dealer in Vegas at the IP. He was a retired judge that had presided over big trials, including some murder trials. This guy had sentenced people to death several times. He was big time. And he told me that he had been betting offshore for years and had little concern over the legality of it. I'll introduce you guys to him at the bash, and maybe we can ask him some questions and get his expert legal opinion again. But I'm pretty sure there are many judges and politicians that are betting with the mob and offshore. I think we all need to just drink more beer and place more bets.


judge retires and then works as a poker dealer?
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"judge retires and then works as a poker dealer?
:icon_conf"


Illini already told us all poker dealers are degenerates, so this can't be true, can it?

I do know who you are talking about, and have not discussed this offshore stuff with him one bit.
 

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Next thing someone is going to tell me senators and reps actually bet with locals and offshores! Oh, the carnage!

Ventura for President, bring him back from Mexico with Perot, lol.:smoker2:
 

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red007 said:
judge retires and then works as a poker dealer?
:icon_conf
His son was a poker dealer and he wanted to be near him and just have some fun. The guy was cool and we would talk about sportsbetting all the time. He had since quit betting offshore since he lived in Vegas, but said he had done it all the time back in Texas, and would do it again if he moved away from Vegas.
 

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Illini,
Are you back to work back home now, hope everything is good and hope you can make it out to the Bash, buddy.
 

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GreenDoberman said:
"judge retires and then works as a poker dealer?
:icon_conf"


Illini already told us all poker dealers are degenerates, so this can't be true, can it?

I do know who you are talking about, and have not discussed this offshore stuff with him one bit.
Green, you have to admit that you were one of the few dealers in town that wins at gambling. And probably the only current IP employee that wins also. Not all dealers are degenerates, just 95% of them.
 

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I could probably count maybe 3 of 60 of my employees that may win over the course of a year. That total may be high by 1 or 2. I have my weaknesses too, just hide them well.
 

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Illini,
Are you back to work back home now, hope everything is good and hope you can make it out to the Bash, buddy.
I have a sales job that I go out on my own when I feel like it. Usually I just feel like playing poker, so I do that for 10 hours a day. I'll be at the bash, and the first beer is on me. Thanks again for all that you did for me out there. :toast:
 

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GD Great Thought!!!!

I`d forgotten about Jesse, was an asshole IMHO, but he DID have a free wheeling personna that would have shrugged off all this BS. You know someone mentioned something in another thread that`s thought provoking. All this w/BOS is being presented in the E. Dist of Mo., Ashcroft`s home st., coincidence? How long are we going to have to suffer this moron? The 3 most destructive & intrusive pols in the last 50 yrs may be him, Rove & Cheney!
 

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red007 said:
judge retires and then works as a poker dealer?
:icon_conf
I wonder if this could be the dealer that the poster THE_MAN
was talking about ( talks to himself when you leave him a bad tip after winning a pot):realtongu
 

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You guys can all bury your heads in the sand and pretend nothing is happening. I prefer to live with my eyes open. Some of you truly underestimate the power of the US Govt
 

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sean1 said:
Calvin's new flight plan is CR to London to Toronto or CR to Sydney to Vancouver. I bet the guy doesnt even fly over the US anymore.

Surprised you know this.

CR - London can only be done through Madrid.

Sydney - Vancouver is impossible without a US stopover in Hawaii or the mainland.
 

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