Why dont Europeans, etc use offshore books?

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Why do most bettors from Europe, Asia, and Australia stay away from the books that target the US?

The books in Europe (Stan James, Bluesq, Bet365, etc) really offer few bonuses or perks.

Why do you think most people from outside the US stay away from most the offshore books?

Is it because:

1. They don't care about bonuses or reduced vig?

2. The books wont give people outside the US the same bonuses and specials?

3. There are too many options already available like betting at your local bar?

4. Any other reasons?

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5) they already have more than enough European based bosed. No need to look elsewhere:realtongu
 

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Generally speaking European Punters are more wised up to the shenanigans of Books, As I've said before, I cant understand the appreciation and love you give them. We are well used to Books going under and conning the Players and to think the Coconuts are any different is laughable. :drink:
 

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1. Because European books offer odds on events in Europe. If you bet with a US facing offshore book you are betting largely on events that are not shown on TV in Europe and are played in the middle of the night when you are asleep.

2. Because most US facing books only deal in dollars and most Europeans only deal (ie have bank accounts in) euros and/or pounds and will get shafted on the bank charges when they get paid out in dollars.
 
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billnevin said:
1. Because European books offer odds on events in Europe. If you bet with a US facing offshore book you are betting largely on events that are not shown on TV in Europe and are played in the middle of the night when you are asleep.

2. Because most US facing books only deal in dollars and most Europeans only deal (ie have bank accounts in) euros and/or pounds and will get shafted on the bank charges when they get paid out in dollars.

You are exactly right. You explained it well. I hope you have a great day
 

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billnevin said:
1. Because European books offer odds on events in Europe. If you bet with a US facing offshore book you are betting largely on events that are not shown on TV in Europe and are played in the middle of the night when you are asleep.

2. Because most US facing books only deal in dollars and most Europeans only deal (ie have bank accounts in) euros and/or pounds and will get shafted on the bank charges when they get paid out in dollars.

Not true.

Many European Books accept wagering on US Sports.

Many European Books also deal in muti-currency including USD and the payouts are in USD (check, bank wire, etc.).

and to say the least. Your money is much safer. :103631605 Which is a must.
 

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If there were legal US books(& in HUGE numbers)--where you could bet them on the web, thru your tv remote, on almost every block or two of your neighborhood...instant physical access to your bankroll at any time..... would you even consider a banana republic book?

Bonus wouldn't/shouldn't even come into consideration then...
 

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Why on earth would I send money to an off shore bookie in CR when I can walk to the corner store and place a cash bet on any sport/race in the world and get paid in cash the same day if it wins ?
 

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Why on earth would I send money to an off shore bookie in CR when I can walk to the corner store and place a cash bet on any sport/race in the world and get paid in cash the same day if it wins ?

HOGWASH, plenty of europeans send money offshore.

WHY DO SO MANY IN VEGAS SEND MONEY OFFSHORE????????

The same reason.
 

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HOGWASH, plenty of europeans send money offshore.

WHY DO SO MANY IN VEGAS SEND MONEY OFFSHORE????????

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You're not comparing apples to apples.

1. Besides Vegas not really wanting action, there's no internet wagering, very limited telephone options, reduced bet menus, very low limits, hassling/86'ing.

2. Vegas' offshore is not always Europe's offshore: Pinny/betfair/intertops/etc.

Were I European, there would be so many betting options in my backyard---ok, I might send off-shore for the reasons you imply, but only to protectorates of European countries / British Commonwealth...
 

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1. Convenience. People bet wherever it is easy for them. People might tend to believe that betting at a shop/track/stadium is easier than getting money into an offshore bookie.

2. Tradition. Aussie books offer what aussies want to bet on, why bet somewhere else?

3. Ignorance. Typical bettors don't understand that the -117 that the TABs (huge gambling corps in aus that include sportsbooks) offer is worse than putting money in the pokies (slots). Many don't even know offshore bookies exist (I'm sure people would guess they do but don't actually know about it) so don't feel the need to check them out.

4. Offshore sounds dodgy.

5. Betfair.
 

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I think a better question is would americans play anywhere but betfair if they were allowed
 

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Romanowski said:
I think a better question is would americans play anywhere but betfair if they were allowed

Mansion/matchbook.
 

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I think Most europeans could care less about the american sports. Books that cater to american markets a catering to sports not clients - ok it works out to be the same in the end. But you don't find too many books catering to american sports that will have a competitive line on lets say cricket.
 

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Mr J said:
Mansion/matchbook.

If Americans could access Betfair, Mansion/Matchbook would have had a much harder time establishing market share..
 

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sean1 said:
Why do most bettors from Europe, Asia, and Australia stay away from the books that target the US?

The books in Europe (Stan James, Bluesq, Bet365, etc) really offer few bonuses or perks.

Why do you think most people from outside the US stay away from most the offshore books?

Is it because:

1. They don't care about bonuses or reduced vig?

2. The books wont give people outside the US the same bonuses and specials?

3. There are too many options already available like betting at your local bar?

4. Any other reasons?

Thanks,

Sean

Sean,

The main reason is because they not knows the existence of "american" books, if for example 90% os USA gamblers knows the existence of Pinnacle, here only 5% knows who Pinny is. I am talking about Italy but in other countryes is'nt too much different with an exception of the UK where an high % of players know amer. books ( more advertising ). Just think that here the two most used books are Betandwin and Betfair ...
 

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Santo said:
If Americans could access Betfair, Mansion/Matchbook would have had a much harder time establishing market share..

Good point ;)
 

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WHY DO SO MANY IN VEGAS SEND MONEY OFFSHORE????????





Geographically and otherwise there is a big difference between your average everyday punter in Ireland/England and the ywiseguy types in Vegas.

In Europe EVERYBODY bets on everything and there is no stigma attached to betting as it is common place and perfectly legal. A lot of Americans send money to off shore accounts because they really dont have a choice.
 

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I would say it was for many reasons.

1 - Trust - they feel rightly so that their money is safer with UK/Euro books.

2 - Content - is not appealing.

3 - Language/format.

4 - Currency.

5 - Withdrawl restrictions/charges - UK bettors are used to funding their accounts via bank debit cards which the books don't charge them for however many times they deposit withdraw a month. Generally UK bettors don't keep account balances with books - I know i don't for sure.
 

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5teamparlay said:
HOGWASH, plenty of europeans send money offshore.

WHY DO SO MANY IN VEGAS SEND MONEY OFFSHORE????????

The same reason.

Your probably talking about the better prices on American Sports you can get with the Coconuts as opposed to the European books and theres no doubt there are times I see prices on screen that I wish I could take but over the last 18 Months, the Euro Books are definitely getting more competitive due mostly to TV coverage.
I have accounts with most bone-fide Euro Books and although living in Ireland can access them with a debit Card and withdraw to the same Card instantly any time with no charges. Its easy for Americans to think everthing revolves around their Sports but in Truth only a minority are in interested in Europe. :drink:
 

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