Clip my point exactly I dont think I was meaning as much as they were losing the game as much as they just plain ass suck and have sucked for more than a few years now. I am tired of nothing being done, no trades or attempts to build a franchise. Abreu with the power to veto a trade????? WTF...... so much damage done by so many years of bad management. Manuel will be gone at the end of this year but even the fact that he was hired last year because of someones buddy and because Ed Wade was a douche bag. Just really sick and tired of the crap that always gets dished out with this team. Yeah they win today but it does not make up for the past how many years fans have been let down with virtually nothing being done. It will be a while before this team is playoff or wild card contenders.