Does BOS have any incentive to reopen? Who there has access to the money

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Knowing that BOS has been run by people of questionable moral character, do they have any incentive to reopen.

For this conversation, let's assume that DC will fight his fight and BOS really does not care about him. They have no plans to come to the US to fight and they feel the US DOJ has no jurisdiction over them.

If BOS reopens, they get:

A huge run on the bank
Very few new sign ups as most of America is aware of the arrests and will go elsewhere
Lawsuits from UK shareholders.
At best, their past marketing efforts are equal in value to the negative from this. At worse, they are not equal.

Now if BOS does not reopen, they get:
Lawsuits from people in the UK against people in Costa Rica and money likely not in the UK.

So who at BOS has access to all the players' funds? Is it Gary? More people than Gary?

It seems to me their best personal path is to simply leave BOS closed, let shareholders sue, let the DOJ issue all sorts of orders, and quietly leave with the cash to simply open a new sportsbook in a new name with an extra $100 million or whatever.

I hope they dont just leave, but what incentive do the owners of BOS have to reopen (And dont give me the its publicly owned - it is publicly owned but controlled by a very few with money in locations that can not be seized)

I think people waiting for BOS to reopen might be waiting for a very long time.

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Somebody (maybe you) suggested the best idea... run a "BetOnSports... Fighting the DOJ for your right to gamble" advertising campaign
 

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It would be a great campaign if they have the guts...

But if you simply grabbed the money and left, not showing up in court would be the next step.... I am beginning to think the we are closed may remain on the websites forever...

I mean really, why would they care about reopening?

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It seems to me their best personal path is to simply leave BOS closed, let shareholders sue, let the DOJ issue all sorts of orders, b]nd quietly leave with the cash to simply open a new sportsbook in a new name with an extra $100 million or whatever.[/b]



That is EXACTLY what I stated the first day they closed the sites. What incentive do they have? Absolutely none. Why not find another D.C. and do it all over again?
 

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Unforunately Ralph, I think that may be the route they are taking.

It shall be interesting what the DOJ does with DC. He did not start the company. He did not really work at it while they were in the states. If the company is gone and he has no access to GK, will they do the right thing and just let him go?

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sean1 said:
Unforunately Ralph, I think that may be the route they are taking.

It shall be interesting what the DOJ does with DC. He did not start the company. He did not really work at it while they were in the states. If the company is gone and he has no access to GK, will they do the right thing and just let him go?

-Sean


I think that's a little more than wishful thinking, unfortunately for D.C. I think he's going to take the brunt of BoS's activities even before he was involved, if that's possible. They want to make an example out of someone and they've only got D.C.
 

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Yes, but can they get a jury conviction? I doubt it.

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Tradesports should get a BOS.OPEN.AUG contract up so we can start making some money on this.
 

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JC's deck was stacked, but he also got very unlucky to get a jury that was unwilling to think on its own.

ALl you need is one juror with a brain who doesnt believe gambling is illegal.

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sean1 said:
JC's deck was stacked, but he also got very unlucky to get a jury that was unwilling to think on its own.

ALl you need is one juror with a brain who doesnt believe gambling is illegal.

-Sean


It was because what the judge had ordered them to listen to and not listen to. A predjucial judge can make all the difference.
 
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Does BOS have any incentive to reopen? Who there has access to the money

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walk away ... with the money ... this is not unheard of in corporate life
 

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No they do not. The truth is plain to see.

I took my response to this question from my post on MW answering the reality of the sitiuation as to why BoS is not answering to the charges or keeping the doors closed. The first one is from 7/30 and the second 7/31. The second one is direct challenge breakdown. Someone please restore my faith.


To summarize first. The BoS lawyers can in no way defend any charge from 2001-2004. The firgures were made up from credit shop and other dubious financial instruments. The gov has asked for 5 years worth of bank records.
They have two the know about. 3 they dont and whomever verified the numbers has a ton of explaining to do.
Please note to date those in the real know have not refuted this and the damage is done no matter what becomes of BoS.



The money is not there I believe all-in. Its that simple. The case being investigated took place between 2001-2003 and the company prospectus was built from a time they were not public and I would like to know where the numbers came from as well as how they were verified. Please tell me most of those numbers aren't derived from credit shop figures among other dubious things. Please tell me that they weren't first in line with this a may vey well have duped the LSE, AIM and when the Feds find out the Gov. Its built on a house of cards and they know it. There is no foundation and thats what the Feds are investigating. Given the background of Kaplan, the money is not there. All these charges will be ghost charges from an accounting standpoint. Most of the numbers have to be made up and someone(s) may well be on the floor laughing there asses off because they know it.


The Gov wants bank records going back 5 years. I say they have two now that are legit and the rest mostly made up and moved around cleverly to become a public company. When you add there are non disclousre issues already.........


BoS is doing the best thing it can do and thats nothing seemingly. Sure we'll do what you say within reason. Make it look like we are working behind the scenes is the psycholgy. These puppets know nothing of what will be asked and fear for there lives. They have to be.


The Feds being arrogant as always and thinking everyone fears them is falling for it because they believe there reasearch and numbers to be true. After all they are a publicly traded company and the LSE/AIM would not let such a company in if it were not up to snuff would it? Oh man are they ever in for a shock. This is not good at all.


The Feds like Vegas before it has bought the marketing spiel everybody. Privatly they think BoS is legit and just like me for my first 4.5 months here could not even remotly concieve of theieves and scammers you have. Its inconceivable for us to open a book and do things that way and its inconcievable to the Feds that someone could get by the LSE and onto AIM no less they would think someone would get by the Stock Exchange and onto Nasdaq. Would not occur to them and as far as they are concerned Gary did everything by the book. They are attacking this case that way thats for sure.


Its going to get really, really ugly I am afraid and I am very sorry for all. I would play right along too. Sure, sure whatever you say. Well be good boys and girls an do what we are told. Its amazing what kids can get away with when they behave. The parents dont keep as close an eye on them. Makes for all kinds of mischief.


The money is not there. Its simply not there.





From 7/31. Someone tell me what they think BoS took in per year in 01-03.





The federal government claims in court filings that BetOnSports took in more than $3.5 billion just from 2001 to 2004, by using more than 700 Web addresses and dozens of toll-free numbers to take bets.

Federal investigators have reviewed company files, placed undercover bets and tracked the bets of 18 gamblers who used Western Union to send money, including two in the St. Louis area who sent a total of $40,000.


The company's most recent annual report adds almost $1.1 billion to that total from the 9.9 million bets placed online and over the phone in 2005. The 2.9 million phone bets averaged about $201 apiece, compared with the average bet of $72 for the 7 million bets placed online.






I will challenge here. So from a review of the records we can deduce in the first blush that BoS took in an average of 900 millon a year in 2001,2002,2003 and 2004. On exactlys whos numbers are they basing this on? You all were there. Did BoS in your opinion take in 900 million in each of those years? 04 is like a half year at that. Tell me the review of the records on file do not contain numbers made up from credit shop figures and other dubious instruments and can in no real way be accounted for. I find it very, very hard to believe that there was that kind of income that could really be tracked. The US wants 5 years worth of bank records to see where the money went and is. What records and what money?


The 2005 numbers only show 1.1 billion. Lets assume thats up from 900 million in 04. Where does that leave 03,2 and 1? Mind you this was before the poker explosion. Bet on Shit is a little light in the shorts if you ask me. Not that matters now. But still my god. Like I said the Feds like Vegas before it fell for the marketing spiel. Its inconcievable that things were not done on the up and up. No way they got by the LSE and onto AIM. Would never occur to them. It took me a long time to accept how things are out there and the mindset operated from.

Being a publicly traded company carries weight and carries a lot of given assumptions. Not for much longer I am afraid. JC has asked several times, "what is that supposed to mean?"


It means you dont need a house of cards to get by the naive and unsuspecting. You just need shuffle a deck of one to make it look like you do. Three card Monty staright from Brooklyn, New York at its very best. Gets them more often than not.


It truly is tremendously tragic and tremendously hilarious at the same time.





Strictly a numbers thing folks. BoS has no real way to defend against the charges at hand and the Feds will never prove that kind of money was bet in that time period. The figures are mostly made up.
 

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Just an FYI for anyone that cares or has an acct w/ BOS. I just made my daily call to BOS CS rep to find any new info and their now telling me that there waiting on a court decsion as to if they can open back up due to the lack of being served and what not, mangers are in mettings conviently all the time. But he did say if they could not come to a agreement to open that players will be paid back this week. Hope this is true and not smoke and mirrors but figured I would share the little info im getting......
 

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No incentive doesn't mean they don't have to
I guess we all have no incentive to pay back our loan if there is any, but we just have to :missingte
 

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classic stalling tactics , the money should be on its way to Cayman or Swiss banks now.
 

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