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NFL is here again and with it will come the usual Greenhorn posts by cloggers bringing up old chestnuts from a bygone Era. So lets do a review while things are quiet and before the barrage begins.

HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE:
One the geeks like getting into because with the Stats you can make it anything you want, I even read more than One Capper saying The Steelers had a Negative HFA last year, probably true but are you going to give them no points for the TTs. The other argument is, what do the books do, well from My experience Books try to make everything simple and leave getting bogged down in Stats to the Players. They will use the 3 and then adjust to any other significant input.

WEATHER CONDITIONS:
Another factor that must have the Books falling about in their Offices. You would swear by some Posts the Off-Shore books are at the North Pole and havent a clue as to the Weather. Once again as a Book, you want to keep it simple, is the wind about 20 MPH or over or is it raining, other than that forget it, pretend its a lovely Summer's Day. Both will lower the Total, Wind will favour the better running Game, rain will detract from the better running Game, anything else is Bollox posting time.

THE BOOKMAKERS LEAN:
Anybody who knows anything about bookmaking will tell you that you only need an opinion when a Market creates "One Horse Books" Big Markets like NFL Sides and totals should accomodate all books over a period making a view a liability in fact. Any moves indicate an adjustment to the Money as opposed to a particular lean.

CONSENSUS BETTING:
This really is Bonehead material. No matter which way they describe it or put Stats up as an argument they are basically saying, I havent a Clue, I'll make a Bet dependent on what some other Joker does. To top things off some will quote percentages based on 60 -100 bets or say something Dopey like as 60% of the players are on the -150 M/L that must be the play.

BETTING AGAINST JOE PUBLIC:
Probably the biggest nonsense on here at all times, not just NFL. I find it incredible that Posters who put themselves across as clued-up consider themselves seperate from the rest of the betting community. There may have been good reasoning for it before the Internet but if someone has Internet access and opened accounts, one would think there not completely stupid. Because of the more informed Punter nowadays Books cannot price up on the hope that "The Herd" go along with the ruse. Just to finish, I love it when Posters say its Sharp Money when their on it and its Joe Public when their not, as if they know.

LATE MONEY IS THE SHARP MONEY:
I explained this in another thread which I was surprised got no replies considering how some Posters are so adamant this is significant. Generally betting late is a trade off between latest info on the game and shorter prices.

So there you go, no doubt the slide-rule Sods and the Algebra achers will come out in force, not to mention the posters believing in these Myths. Of course the posts will not put any reasoning behind their thinking, just one of being different to all the rest is best. :drink:
 

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And what is not a myth, Mr. Winbet?

Injury Report

Line movement and said teams history there of

Talent edge


Very good post. The late money theory has killed more people than I care to discuss. It's bad!
 

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NFL is here again and with it will come the usual Greenhorn posts by cloggers bringing up old chestnuts from a bygone Era. So lets do a review while things are quiet and before the barrage begins.


CONSENSUS BETTING:
This really is Bonehead material. No matter which way they describe it or put Stats up as an argument they are basically saying, I havent a Clue, I'll make a Bet dependent on what some other Joker does. To top things off some will quote percentages based on 60 -100 bets or say something Dopey like as 60% of the players are on the -150 M/L that must be the play.

BETTING AGAINST JOE PUBLIC:
Probably the biggest nonsense on here at all times, not just NFL. I find it incredible that Posters who put themselves across as clued-up consider themselves seperate from the rest of the betting community. There may have been good reasoning for it before the Internet but if someone has Internet access and opened accounts, one would think there not completely stupid. Because of the more informed Punter nowadays Books cannot price up on the hope that "The Herd" go along with the ruse. Just to finish, I love it when Posters say its Sharp Money when their on it and its Joe Public when their not, as if they know.

LATE MONEY IS THE SHARP MONEY:
I explained this in another thread which I was surprised got no replies considering how some Posters are so adamant this is significant. Generally betting late is a trade off between latest info on the game and shorter prices.

Couldnt agree more with these. People that actually pay money to sportsinsights for Public/Sharp percentages are laughable.
 

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Fading the public can get you killed. They tottaly wiped up last year in the NFL.
 

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Respect your thoughts and opinions.........however, having worked once behind the counter of lasvegas sportsbooks as a writer, cashier, superviser/linemover...........I can tell you that you that you are somewhat INCORRECT as well VERY CORRECT in your following statements.


CONSENSUS BETTING:
This really is Bonehead material. No matter which way they describe it or put Stats up as an argument they are basically saying, I havent a Clue, I'll make a Bet dependent on what some other Joker does. To top things off some will quote percentages based on 60 -100 bets or say something Dopey like as 60% of the players are on the -150 M/L that must be the play.

BETTING AGAINST JOE PUBLIC:
Probably the biggest nonsense on here at all times, not just NFL. I find it incredible that Posters who put themselves across as clued-up consider themselves seperate from the rest of the betting community. There may have been good reasoning for it before the Internet but if someone has Internet access and opened accounts, one would think there not completely stupid. Because of the more informed Punter nowadays Books cannot price up on the hope that "The Herd" go along with the ruse. Just to finish, I love it when Posters say its Sharp Money when their on it and its Joe Public when their not, as if
they know.


You make excellent points here but the sophisticated bettor WILL know what a huge public play is(especialy in the NFL or NBA) and by doing so will have a nice advantage over the longhaul(5+ years of wagering). The problem occurs for many it determining EXACTLY WHAT THESE TEAMS ARE, which is an art in and by itself.

The best advice I can give anybody is to be sure as hell to get the best possible number you can on a game.

Thanks for the post WINBET, we could discuss this in detail for hours on end the subjects you brought it.
 

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Fish, the NFL has trended towards favs and pub plays for the last few years. Of course I am talking about ATS.

The line is not designed to beat Joe Shmoe, it is designed to beat guys like you!
 

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Fish, the NFL has trended towards favs and pub plays for the last few years. Of course I am talking about ATS.

The line is not designed to beat Joe Shmoe, it is designed to beat guys like you!


It is actually designed to hopefully beat evertbody. :)

Everybody is on this TWO YEAR hiatus of the public winning in the NFL..................of course this is going to happen.

Having said that, how do you think JOHN Q. PUBLIC/CONSENSUS has fared in the NFL for the past 20-30 years and beyond?

The answer..........NOT WELL!


TWO YEARS is diddly squat..........:trx-smly0
 

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FH, we didnt have the audience we had before, there werent as many guys making a living at this as before.


If you sit there and think you can play contrain on every NFL line move and expect to make some big coin, that is just wrong.
 

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FEZZIK and myself have taken tons of abuse the past two years for our contrarian ways............my only suggestion...........talk to us 20 years from now.
 

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FH, we didnt have the audience we had before, there werent as many guys making a living at this as before.


If you sit there and think you can play contrain on every NFL line move and expect to make some big coin, that is just wrong.


Your first point..................EXCELLENT and it trully is not the same as even five years ago.............EXCELLENT POINT!


Your second point...............if you read my first post in this thread in detail you will see that I personally do not wager against EVERY NFL line move, never have and never will. However picking those prime contrarian plays out will definetly provide an edge longterm...........NO QUESTION IN MY MIND...............and coupling that with getting the best line and using proper money management should be a nice 401k NFL betting strategy for most for their lifetimes.

Anyway thats been my plan and will continue to be.

By the way, speaking of contrarian ways and 401k betting plans, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND Kevin O'Neils strategy books on tackling football handicapping.

-FH-
 

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By the way, as RUSS CULVER(an individual I highly respect from my Vegas day) as stated on several occassions...............one should make an attempt to get RICH through sportsbetting slowly and to never treat it as a get rich quick scheme because it simply does not work that way.

One better have MAJOR discipline in this game to not only survive, but to make their investments grow.

Anyway, rambling and getting off the topic, but love talking gambing and I ALWAYS want everybody to win on this side of the counter.
 

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Fish, terrefic insight. Thanks much.


It's not hard to drop a gem of knowledge on us do-gooders, it can go far.
 

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RobFunk said:
Fish, terrefic insight. Thanks much.


It's not hard to drop a gem of knowledge on us do-gooders, it can go far.

Hey, there are literally HUNDREDS on this forum that have made more money than me through sportsbetting...............but I think ANYBODY that has been even somewhat successful for a long period of time can shed light in someway that will help their fellow grinders and that is what I enjoy doing.

WANT POSTERS TO WIN.


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Fish,
I dont think you can rely on things nowadays not even for One Season, things are changeing so much faster. I had a couple of nice earners on Betfair last Year and already People are on to them and what was is no more. The actual reasoning for going against the majority still makes sense but I just wonder if with everyone reading the same Stats whether the line movement is more an adjustment than blind faith.

I agreed with Your view last Year that things in the NFL had got tight and getting Plus points was the way to go, however after looking at the Season again it would appear that while the Favourites points advantage was down over recent Years, the fav had increased its margin in low Spread Games. It just shows that things need to be looked at a lot closer in this day of Internet Stats. :drink:
 

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Fish,
I dont think you can rely on things nowadays not even for One Season, things are changeing so much faster. I had a couple of nice earners on Betfair last Year and already People are on to them and what was is no more. The actual reasoning for going against the majority still makes sense but I just wonder if with everyone reading the same Stats whether the line movement is more an adjustment than blind faith.

I agreed with Your view last Year that things in the NFL had got tight and getting Plus points was the way to go, however after looking at the Season again it would appear that while the Favourites points advantage was down over recent Years, the fav had increased its margin in low Spread Games. It just shows that things need to be looked at a lot closer in this day of Internet Stats. :drink:



In some respects(many actually), wish the internet would have never came into being.
 

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With all due respect to Fishhead's posts', that is my point.

Make adjustments, make adjustments.

Do NOT get caught up in a system or trend. No matter how good it has been to you in the past.
 

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N.F.L.'s toughest obstacle for a 'capper is it's ...

Parity. IMO

As each season passes,this league's parity is only contested by the N.H.L.'s.

Sal
 

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SAL THE ITAL said:
Parity. IMO

As each season passes,this league's parity is only contested by the N.H.L.'s.

Sal

Spot on Sal, you Italians use far less Words, that why your Opera's are shorter. Best O luck this Year. :drink:
 

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With all due respect to Fishhead's posts', that is my point.

Make adjustments, make adjustments.

Do NOT get caught up in a system or trend. No matter how good it has been to you in the past.


AGREE.........and one can possibly make more money by doing so!!............as evidenced by the past two years.

HOWEVER, being contrarian to me is and never will be considered a system/trend.
 

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Winbet:

Looking forward to seeing you posting your plays in the NFL Forum again this year and putting principles into practice. Best of luck.
 

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