RX FREE BJ hands.........DOUBLE DOWN or not?

Fishhead · Aug 16, 2006

What is the final verdict on this?

Sharpie DOUGJ claims it is not the right move, along with a few others.

Others claim one would be completely foolish to not DOUBLE DOWN if the circumstances call for it, especially on obvious decisions like 11 vs a dealers 5.

Fire away.......lets hear the "theories" on this from everybody.

-FH-

ps- I personally have still refrained from giving my answer..........letting others provide the "correct" answer/decision(but have my own theory).

:lolBIG:

RobFunk · Aug 16, 2006

Too much worry over that

If you can DD just bet the normal size

Last night, I got sucked out for my balance on AA with A on flop. Same crap.

If youre worried about DD = GREED. Really, just play it. You're whining about some advantage non sense.

Dante · Aug 16, 2006

ONLY way I would do it is , and this is me personally,

is if I had a 10 or 11 ..and IM going up against a DEALER showing 3 4 5 6

not 2

thats ME

Fishhead · Aug 16, 2006

Would like to hear DOUGJ's theory in more detail of not doubling down these FREE HANDS when the strategy calls for it.

dmmd98 · Aug 16, 2006

He has changed his name, its just Doug now.

Fishhead · Aug 16, 2006

dmmd98 said:
He has changed his name, its just Doug now.

Thanks.......he sure has.

:103631605

Paterno · Aug 16, 2006

I was back and forth with this about Doug the other night. His reason is basically you have a better chance of ultimately winning your original stake if you do not double down since you will be able to see if you need additional cards. I agree with this and since it is only 1 hand, makes sense.

However.....I will be doubling down on all opportunities because the $500 is already a Bonus Play and I would love to have the chance to get 2-1 on my $ (additonal $500 on double down or split) since it will be >50% edge in my favor.

5teamparlay · Aug 16, 2006

Explain splits to me. Original stake stays as first hand. If first hand pushes and 2nd hand loses do I get another play on the free money. If 2nd hand wins do I get a play again etc. ??

PornoPaul · Aug 16, 2006

SCnit said:
I was back and forth with this about Doug the other night. His reason is basically you have a better chance of ultimately winning your original stake if you do not double down since you will be able to see if you need additional cards. I agree with this and since it is only 1 hand, makes sense.

However.....I will be doubling down on all opportunities because the $500 is already a Bonus Play and I would love to have the chance to get 2-1 on my $ (additonal $500 on double down or split) since it will be >50% edge in my favor.

Who would want another card if the dealer is showing a 4 5 or 6 after you hit with a ten? Nomatter what card you get.
Even if you have ten and draw a 4 you still wouldnt take another card. So why not double?

Paterno · Aug 16, 2006

5teamparlay said:
Explain splits to me. Original stake stays as first hand. If first hand pushes and 2nd hand loses do I get another play on the free money. If 2nd hand wins do I get a play again etc. ??

I was going to ask Wil about this on Saturday. I think if the hand results in a net push (no difference on which split hand wins), another hand will be dealt.

Paterno · Aug 16, 2006

Sexy_Manager said:
Who would want another card if the dealer is showing a 4 5 or 6 after you hit with a ten? Nomatter what card you get.
Even if you have ten and draw a 4 you still wouldnt take another card. So why not double?

Agree with the standard doubles, but I think the argument is between the not so obious...for example, below

10 against 2....next card 2
9 against 5....next card 2
10 against 7...next card 4
11 against 10...next card 3

5teamparlay · Aug 16, 2006

SC -- I would hope that only the original 500 would matter. You can only split once so it wont get too crazy, but as long as that 500 stays around I assume you keep playing.

WVU · Aug 16, 2006

splitting is as key as doubling. What are you going to do if dealt 8,8 against any dealer upcard? You will want to split these against anything. What is your other option, to hit this against a dealer 7-a? If you do not plan to double then you are playing a 96.7% game if you do plan to double then you are playing a 99.2% game.

PornoPaul · Aug 16, 2006

5teamparlay said:
Explain splits to me. Original stake stays as first hand. If first hand pushes and 2nd hand loses do I get another play on the free money. If 2nd hand wins do I get a play again etc. ??

I would think the split hand, or second hand delt after the split is the players money anyway.
So if the first hand delt too is a push, and the second hand delt too is a win.
The player goes again with the RX money. Because the first hand delt too was the origanal bet.

JMO

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Paterno · Aug 16, 2006

WVU said:
splitting is as key as doubling. What are you going to do if dealt 8,8 against any dealer upcard? You will want to split these against anything. What is your other option, to hit this against a dealer 7-a? If you do not plan to double then you are playing a 96.7% game if you do plan to double then you are playing a 99.2% game.

Completely agree. I just assumed everyone planned on splitting when correct strategy calls for it. Not splitting Aces hurts. I sure hope this is not the standard rule at IP. Anyway, no bitching from me since it still is a Bonus Play.

WVU · Aug 16, 2006

yeah I have never seen no ace splitting anywhere on the strip. Did they come up with these special rules just for these hands? I do not see why we shouldn't get the most favorable rules offered in the casino.

charliepeete · Aug 16, 2006

no double i would feel like a trick if i lost.............lol.............i am a dice player anyways...rather shoot for midlnight

Akillies · Aug 16, 2006

Sexy manager i will be needing a backer, as i figure to get 8,8.

SportSavant · Aug 16, 2006

I was back and forth with this about Doug the other night. His reason is basically you have a better chance of ultimately winning your original stake if you do not double down since you will be able to see if you need additional cards.

yeah but if you have a HARD 11 against a 4 or 5 or 6, there is no chance you would HIT again anyway, so its obvious you wont need any more cards......

PO69 · Aug 16, 2006

You also want to double with ace-2, ace-3, ace-4, ace-5 and ace-6 vs dealer cards of 4-6 in my opinion.

I would even double the soft 17 as the best that it gets you is a tie if the dealer draws to 17 which is EXPREMELY doubtful