Technologically -- Can they stop this?

MoneyManager · Sep 7, 2006

I go back far enough to when I was concerned about calling bets in across state lines ---but there was always a way to get a bet down thru friends.

I have loved the last few years thanks to the internet.

Via the internet-- don't you think "the cats out of the bag" and there will always be ways around government control?

Any comments?

12thRound · Sep 7, 2006

Funny thing is, some people were saying before that there would be ways around this law and little would change.

But, I haven't heard that in several weeks now. Perhaps as reality starts to set in, people are realizing that it might not be so easy to get around this if it does become law.

viking611 · Sep 7, 2006

if i was a betting man...

uppy: ....i would bet LARGE that I will be able to place online wagers for the next 5 years with no problems.

MoneyManager · Sep 7, 2006

I'm thinking with all this noise ----- could be all "clucking and no eggs"
after all is said and done!

quantumleap · Sep 7, 2006

A couple years ago I asked my Canadian friend to set up a Candian bank account in his name. I funded it so I could bet at soccer books that didn't allow US citizens.

He also has a server in his home and he lets me remote control it through a program called VNC that lets me see his desktop. When I was in Thailand I couldn't reach gambling web sites (they are filtered there) so I VNC'd to his desktop in Canada and made bets there.

xpanda · Sep 7, 2006

quantumleap said:
A couple years ago I asked my Canadian friend to set up a Candian bank account in his name. I funded it so I could bet at soccer books that didn't allow US citizens.

I have heard (and will verify) that US citizens can set up an account at the Bank of Montreal here in Canada. Of course you need to be here in person to verify your identity, but it (supposedly) can be done.

It's a decent alternative for people living close to the border.

xpanda · Sep 7, 2006

Just got off the phone with BoM.

Americans can open up an account there without having to be Canadian citizens. All you need is a Drivers License and Passport or Birth Certificate, but you do have to open it in person.

http://www4.bmo.com/

quantumleap · Sep 7, 2006

I can see companies in the Caribbean setting up shop to simply provide remote services to web browsers for the express intent of allowing Americans to bet if any such bill were to pass.

This eventually will be a political thing as to whether the US goes after countries for allowing Americans to remote control foreign servers since a remote control session can't be limited like a web browser can. Remote control sessions can be encrypted as well so that it would take the NSA to break the encryption. They have their hands full with the terrorists.

I'm wondering if the money supply could be prevented as the US could put pressure on Canada to stop Neteller from accepting money from US banks. But then again the Caribbean countries could allow US banks to send money to offshore accounts.

orbit · Sep 7, 2006

Hey QuantumLeap .... have you ever tried logmein.com? I used to use VNC for remote computer control but this blows that away! and you can use the free version which I do ... its much faster and is through the web browser

I think if you try it you'll love it ... especially for what you using VNC for

12thRound · Sep 7, 2006

xpanda,

Great info on the Montreal bank. If someone opened an account there in Montreal, could they make deposits and withdrawals online in the US with their online banking?

Or would they have to go to Monteal each time to make a deposit or withdrawal?

And supposing that worked, how hard would it be to transfer money from the Bank of Montreal to a US bank?

Finally, would the offshores and/or Neteller/ Firepay transact deposits and withdrawals from someone who has a BOM account but a US home address?

thx

xpanda · Sep 7, 2006

12thRound said:
xpanda,

Great info on the Montreal bank. If someone opened an account there in Montreal, could they make deposits and withdrawals online in the US with their online banking?

Or would they have to go to Monteal each time to make a deposit or withdrawal?

And supposing that worked, how hard would it be to transfer money from the Bank of Montreal to a US bank?

Finally, would the offshores and/or Neteller/ Firepay transact deposits and withdrawals from someone who has a BOM account but a US home address?

thx

First, the Bank of Montreal is all across the country. There are seven branches in my home city, which is in Southern Ontario.

You can do all of your banking online. Transferring money to a US bank would probably be easiest by wire.

I can't answer the last question, as I'm not sure of the specific requirements by Neteller, and I've never used Firepay. But my bank account (not at BoM, but at TD Canada Trust) still has my parents home address, and I've not lived there for 18 years (I get all my statements via email). NETeller has my current address. Or maybe they don't. I can't remember now. At any rate, the two don't match, that's certain.

12thRound · Sep 7, 2006

Do you know if they have any Bank of Montreal's in the Toronto area?

Much closer than Montreal.

12thRound · Sep 7, 2006

Looks like they do from their website. Not sure what the "branch with ABM" means.

xpanda · Sep 7, 2006

12thRound said:
Do you know if they have any Bank of Montreal's in the Toronto area?

Much closer than Montreal.

TONS of them. Toronto has 6 million people. My city has 500,000 and we have seven branches here.

If you are near the Lewiston or Peace Bridge crossings, try Niagara Falls. If you're coming from the Rochester area, hop the ferry and go to Toronto.

Bank of Montreal is one of Canada's largest banks. You'll find branches for them in Buttfuck Anywhere up here.

And 'branch with ABM' means it's a branch that has an automated banking machine, or an ATM as you guys call it. Also, debit cards are a little different up here, just so you know. They are tied straight to your bank account, rather than a 'post-up' credit card like you guys have. You don't need to fund the card itself, it just withdraws money straight from your account, and YES you can use them in the US, at any ATM.

Email me if you're planning on coming up. I'm always up for meeting Rxers!

xpanda@therx.com

12thRound · Sep 7, 2006

Great, thanks Xpanda.

Let's hope it's business as usual in a couple months.

quantumleap · Sep 7, 2006

orbit said:
Hey QuantumLeap .... have you ever tried logmein.com? I used to use VNC for remote computer control but this blows that away! and you can use the free version which I do ... its much faster and is through the web browser

I think if you try it you'll love it ... especially for what you using VNC for

Orbit:

I haven't tried that. Do you have to install anything on the host computer? The only reason I use VNC is because that is what my friend has already installed. I figured he was doing me a favor by allowing me to use VNC so I haven't suggested anything else.

I don't really care for VNC. It's slow and single-session. I think I'll check out logmein.com if my friend doesn't mind.

Thanks.

:toast:

orbit · Sep 7, 2006

Yeah you have to install a piece on both computers but it is fairly small and transparent ...

O.

bmconsultants · Sep 7, 2006

orbit said:
Hey QuantumLeap .... have you ever tried logmein.com? I used to use VNC for remote computer control but this blows that away! and you can use the free version which I do ... its much faster and is through the web browser

A better solution to what you are wanting to do is this:

http://www.stopcarnivore.org

VegasPlayer777 · Sep 7, 2006

xpanda said:
Just got off the phone with BoM.

Americans can open up an account there without having to be Canadian citizens. All you need is a Drivers License and Passport or Birth Certificate, but you do have to open it in person.

http://www4.bmo.com/

Xpanda - this is a beautiful thing. Thanks for a good alternative to this pending legislation in the US! Would like to hear from others on the viability of this. Seems good to me.

12thRound · Sep 7, 2006

It would work unless the offshores all decide to cut off US residents if this becomes law.

In such a scenario, they might want verification of your home address before certain payouts (like they often do now), and since you are a US resident, you couldn't get around that.

So, they wouldn't wire your funds to a Canadian bank b/c they know you're a US resident and they wouldn't do biz with a US resident in this scenario.

YOu might still have to come up with some Canadian home residence - which would be difficult if they asked for a utility bill receipt or something like that.

I'm just thinking down the board on this. This might not even come to any of this. But I like to think through stuff before a possible crisis.

Hopefully, we won't have to worry about it. Or, hopefully, some Carribean books will still take US residents even if this becomes law.