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Federal Appeals Court: Driving With Money is a Crime
Eighth Circuit Appeals Court ruling says police may seize cash from motorists even in the absence of any evidence that a crime has been committed.

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A federal appeals court ruled yesterday that if a motorist is carrying large sums of money, it is automatically subject to confiscation. In the case entitled, "United States of America v. $124,700 in U.S. Currency," the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit took that amount of cash away from Emiliano Gomez Gonzolez, a man with a "lack of significant criminal history" neither accused nor convicted of any crime.

On May 28, 2003, a Nebraska state trooper signaled Gonzolez to pull over his rented Ford Taurus on Interstate 80. The trooper intended to issue a speeding ticket, but noticed the Gonzolez's name was not on the rental contract. The trooper then proceeded to question Gonzolez -- who did not speak English well -- and search the car. The trooper found a cooler containing $124,700 in cash, which he confiscated. A trained drug sniffing dog barked at the rental car and the cash. For the police, this was all the evidence needed to establish a drug crime that allows the force to keep the seized money.

Associates of Gonzolez testified in court that they had pooled their life savings to purchase a refrigerated truck to start a produce business. Gonzolez flew on a one-way ticket to Chicago to buy a truck, but it had sold by the time he had arrived. Without a credit card of his own, he had a third-party rent one for him. Gonzolez hid the money in a cooler to keep it from being noticed and stolen. He was scared when the troopers began questioning him about it. There was no evidence disputing Gonzolez's story.

Yesterday the Eighth Circuit summarily dismissed Gonzolez's story. It overturned a lower court ruling that had found no evidence of drug activity, stating, "We respectfully disagree and reach a different conclusion... Possession of a large sum of cash is 'strong evidence' of a connection to drug activity."

Judge Donald Lay found the majority's reasoning faulty and issued a strong dissent.

"Notwithstanding the fact that claimants seemingly suspicious activities were reasoned away with plausible, and thus presumptively trustworthy, explanations which the government failed to contradict or rebut, I note that no drugs, drug paraphernalia, or drug records were recovered in connection with the seized money," Judge Lay wrote. "There is no evidence claimants were ever convicted of any drug-related crime, nor is there any indication the manner in which the currency was bundled was indicative of
drug use or distribution."

"Finally, the mere fact that the canine alerted officers to the presence of drug residue in a rental car, no doubt driven by dozens, perhaps scores, of patrons during the course of a given year, coupled with the fact that the alert came from the same location where the currency was discovered, does little to connect the money to a controlled substance offense," Judge Lay Concluded.

The full text of the ruling is available in a 36k PDF file at the source link below.

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US v. $124,700 (US Court of Appeals, Eighth Circuit, 8/19/2006)



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I am nots ure what i would do if the government took 120 grand from me without a good reason.

However, i tend to think this guy was up to no good.
 

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As much as it pains me to type this, the drug-sniffing dog is grounds for probable cause to search the vehicle. It has been used in many drug cases in the past. Nevermind that drug-sniffing dogs aren't always right. That can be fought in a court of law if you don't have drugs in your possession.

But that's not what is scary. What is scary is that possession of large sums of money can be grounds for keeping the money until it is proven in court that it wasn't as a result of drug activity.
 

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That and being here from Mexico likely without a job.

I guarantee you if you had a job, could show where the cash came from, and had a reasonable lawyer you'd get your money back.

Of course I can think of no reason to ever need $124,000 in cash.

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If I get pulled over in Vegas with 124 k cash, I assume no one would care. And that much cash right from a bank or casino surely had cocaine on it at some time so a dog would bark no matter why.
 

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sean1 said:
That and being here from Mexico likely without a job.

I guarantee you if you had a job, could show where the cash came from, and had a reasonable lawyer you'd get your money back.

Of course I can think of no reason to ever need $124,000 in cash.

Sean

in other words, we will keep your money unless you show us that you are NOT guilty because......of course that you are guilty unless prooven inocent
 

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actually the burden is on the government according to the Civil Asset Forfeiture Act of 2000. Before 2000 the burden was in fact on the citizen, now the burden is on the goverment to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that the seized money is subject to forfeiture.

Factors the court considered in favor of forfeiture:
1- Gonzalez had flown on a one way ticket
2- he lied about the names of his friends in his car
3- lied about past criminal history
4- couldn't name the party in which he was going to give this money too, only had a vague account of the possible transaction
5- had a large some of cash
6- and the canine had sniffed out a trace drug scent.

There was a dissent which did not believe this was enough along with gonzales's fairly plausbile excuse.

So this was not a railroad job. if you are going to closing to buy a property and have documents and get caught with 200 grand in cash the government will not take it.
 

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I am obviously not a lawyer but


1- Gonzalez had flown on a one way ticket/ this is not illegal
2- he lied about the names of his friends in his car / while he should be charged for lying to an officer this doesn't mean they can also impound their watch if they felt like
3- lied about past criminal history/ same as above
4- couldn't name the party in which he was going to give this money too, only had a vague account of the possible transaction/ sounds fishy obviouosly, I would have just said "its mine mine mine"
5- had a large some of cash /not illegal
6- and the canine had sniffed out a trace drug scent. /money probably has everything from horse *hit to champagne to other things too disgusting to mention, further a rental car can have anything as well

I obviously concur that this sounds fishy as hell but I wouldn't like to be giving explanations as to why I drive the car I drive or wear the clothes I wear or have the credit cards I have and to what uses I give to them or where I am going to 'x' and where do I intend to stay............you get the idea
 

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There was a judge on the panel who dissented so i am guessing this wasn't such an open and shut case for the court and the lower court did rule in favor of gonzalez.

If i was on the panel i would probably have agreed with the dissent but i don't think this is a travesty of justice. I think anyone carrying that kind of cash should have an explanation
 

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I don't agree with needing an explanation to carry cash (I could carry gold bullions in my car if I feel like it )

But I was reading the indictment and on top of lying about being arrested (he had a DUI) he also DIRECTLY lied when asked if he had large amounts of cash with him (and apparently the defendant claimed that he thought that carrying over 10k was 'bad' which is most certainly not specially when you are doing all this within the same country)

Further reading mentions this Civil Forfeiture Act that states that is legal to seize the cash when "there is substantial connection between the property and a controlled subtance" which IMO is not shown here

The weird thing is that after reading that pdf file it looks like everything they are saying should indicate that they have no right to take the cash!

What they should have done in my opinion is let this guy keep the cash and follow him EVERYWHERE.............if they suspect this guy is dealing with drugs he will eventually lead them to the 'big fish'
 

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