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With ACE hitting a Zig its only a matter of time between all the Jokers jump on the Bandwagon. To me, anyone who has any class on this Forum will not smack him, even though he has made mistakes, like the rest of us. :drink:
 

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With ACE hitting a Zig its only a matter of time between all the Jokers jump on the Bandwagon. To me, anyone who has any class on this Forum will not smack him, even though he has made mistakes, like the rest of us. :drink:
I've never seen you make a mistake Win! I think you spilled a couple drops of whisky once though!:toast:
 

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To bet him blindly every play is dumb anyway, i use his plays as a useful guide, helped me win New Orleans, but i declined ot like his pick on San Diego and had Baltimore instead...

currently have Jacksonville, and that looks ok so far.
 

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That would be pretty sad if the bashers start bashing when you buy a stock does it go up everyday just looking to sell somewhere at a profit.

Thanks ACE-ACE get'em next week
 

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The only people that would line up to bash are the ones that lost more than they should have had on the contests. They are angry and frustrated and they want to express their disgust at having followed someone else and for too much.

They are angry and disgusted at the wrong person. If they want to be angry and disgusted and tell someone about it, first they need to set up a nice big mirror by their computer....


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Tulsa said:
The only people that would line up to bash are the ones that lost more than they should have had on the contests. They are angry and frustrated and they want to express their disgust at having followed someone else and for too much.

They are angry and disgusted at the wrong person. If they want to be angry and disgusted and tell someone about it, first they need to set up a nice big mirror by their computer....


tulsa



Brillant post Tulsa.


Where I'm from thats called; Always the Victim, Ever the Victim.
 

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Tulsa said:
The only people that would line up to bash are the ones that lost more than they should have had on the contests. They are angry and frustrated and they want to express their disgust at having followed someone else and for too much.

They are angry and disgusted at the wrong person. If they want to be angry and disgusted and tell someone about it, first they need to set up a nice big mirror by their computer....


tulsa


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I agree with Win for the most part, will be a lot of "I knew it all the time" crowd piling on. On the other hand call me naive but I really believe most people that spoke up are doing it with the best intentions. If you've been here a while you've seen this whole song and dance before, it never ends well it seems. Problem is if you speak up you are a hater or jealous of the attention Ace gets, as a result most find out it's best to sit back and say nothing.

I still am not convinced he's a bad NFL capper, I think he has done well and has the potential to do it again in the future. What concerns me is his money management, same thing the followers compliment him on. MM is more than throwing out cute quotes like "bet with your head and not over it". It's having a bankroll and being consistant in how much you wager depending on your edge.

Today alone Ace had 59 units in action!! That is a fucking ton. I'm assuming a unit is 1% of his bankroll and that is HUGE. Many pros on the conservative side like to keep their total of 8% or less of roll in action any one day. That's just a general rule and is often broken but I had 9 units in action today and was pissing my pants until some of the early games came in. You simply can't make it long if you are putting almost 60% of your bankroll in action on NFL Sunday. There is very rarely that much +EV stuff out there if you are just straight capping games and betting them on Thursday nights!

You don't have to flat bet but base it on Kelly or some other system that works for you. Start with 100 unit bankroll and each unit is 1% of roll. Having 1, 2 and 20 unit plays does not make sense? If you think you have 10X more edge on a 20 unit play than you should never be making 1 unit plays to begin with. I just think he's a better capper than he is a bettor. For an exbookie he does some strange things that are teaching these people the wrong way to bet IMO. Buying off numbers in college at full juice makes no sense. I just hope some that are following are smart enough to not risk the amounts he is suggesting. Big unit plays on forums are for nothing but show, it's a painless way to chase loses but quite the opposite for folks betting real money.

I wish him well though, I don't think it's out of the question he will turn it right around in the NFL. My suggestion would be to forget about all these massive 20 unit plays and use his popularity in helping people learn smarter ways to bet rather than trying to win a ton of "units". For most the biggest challenge in winning is learning how to stay in the game long enough to do so, throwing 60% of your bankroll in action every day is a quick way to the rail. No bigger lesson for newer gamblers to learn than protecting the roll. Good luck guys, I really mean it, hope things turn.
 

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The main problem I see is having a play that can be 7-10X another play that he listed as a bet.


Can you really like a play 10x more than another one? And especially when the play is a favorite and not a dog. That is a bit unrealistic. I have NO PROBLEM at all with betting MORE than $2000 on your play, but dont list another play that you only bet $300 on. Hell I bet more than $2000 on 2 parlays today. But I didnt like those plays 10 times as much as other plays.


Also, he doesnt exactly calculate juice in his records correctly. No reason to deceive everyone. He should just use -110 juice like everyone else does
 

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While he's in a slump, it's not the time to be riding him.

I hope he finds his groove again.
 

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BTW, no matter how it ends I give the man credit, he has way more patience than I do. He has been almost tireless in providing help to others and has done nobody wrong on this forum for as long as I can remember. Even if I don't agree with it all I will be the first to say he's as classy and valuable as a poster as the RX has had in a while. As a result when I do disagree I usually don't say anything or at least try to keep it on a mature level if I do. He deserves that in my opinion at the very least. It amazes me how he keeps his calm even when piled on when I do believe he has had the forums best interest at heart since he's been around. Props Ace.
 

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CAPN CRUNCH said:
I've never seen you make a mistake Win! I think you spilled a couple drops of whisky once though!:toast:

Capn,
Hope all is well with you, please tell me where you are nowadays. I always make mistakes like everyone, I just hate the after the event merchants. :drink:
 

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the downfall of most touts is that they end up taking bad numbers.....

plus most fall into the trap of chasing losses

the mark of a good capper.........is someone who manages his bankroll...
 

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dimeplayersonly said:
nobody should ever be bashed for listing plays........

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well said , if you think the poster is a poor handicapper just fade him (play opposite of his selection)

Its hard enough to win in this game without being bashed
 

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flat betting usually is best.........

but when on a losing streak you must cut back....that seperates the squares from the sharps
 

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despite his skid... he still is the #1 NFL capper here... no doubt about it
 

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