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Was Paypal ever an option for a short time?

This is my biggest fear, I don't want to have to revert back to sending and recieving checks to w/d and fund acconuts.

Though this was before my time, I can imagine this being a HUGE pain in the ass.

Is this what everyone thinks the route this will end up going in a worse case scenairo?
 

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Western Union and Moneygram. It would be very difficult for the government to block these because all of the books have developed hundreds of contacts in various parts of the world and they change week to week. So unless they close down WU and Moneygram, there is no way to identify these names as "online gaming".
 

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I remember the 1st time i deposited. It was with Bowmans when they were phone only. I got a cashiers check and sent it fedex. They had me fax a photocopy of the check and credited it to my account as soon as i dropped it off at fedex.Wsex used to do the same....Bet they don't do that anymore,lol
 

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Before Neteller I used PayPal. As I recall, Neteller got their act together (they had some DEF-inate early growing pains which have been totally resolved) shortly after PayPal went Hollywood on us.

Before PayPal I used Western Union to fund the accounts and Fed-Ex to have checks sent to me. Compared to Neteller that WAS like using horse and buggy. I shudder to think of going back to that.......!!

I spoke to Neteller today and they said it is business as usual.....and I like to believe that it will stay that way.

Like the kid says in My Cousin Vinny: "There's nothing to worry about until there's something to worry about."

But if worst does indeed come to worst, we are back to how it was in the late 90's......which is STILL better than it was before that.

Personally I think Neteller (or their equivilent) will be around long after all this reactive hysteria dies down. There is simply too much money to be made.
 

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Originally, you could use credit cards... You deposit. They credit it back if you won (At first more than the deposit, then eventually that gone banned and they woudl bank wire)

Then paypal.

Then Ebay bought paypal and you got prepaidatm, moneybookers, egold, neteller, citibank c2it, etc

Neteller was the best.

If Neteller goes there will be 5 more..

Don't worry.

Worst comes to worse, every major book has agents in every major city.

A friend of mine used to play at Pinnacle for years with an agent (And not on credit.) He would keep his balance at $10K. Every week, his agent would come see him and either collect or pay out to make it back to $10k.

If you ask any book you play at routinely and you are not betting $5, they will give you an agent...


But realistically, there will always be neteller or a like company.

Sean
 

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sean1 said:
Originally, you could use credit cards... You deposit. They credit it back if you won (At first more than the deposit, then eventually that gone banned and they woudl bank wire)

Then paypal.

Then Ebay bought paypal and you got prepaidatm, moneybookers, egold, neteller, citibank c2it, etc

Neteller was the best.

If Neteller goes there will be 5 more..

Don't worry.

Worst comes to worse, every major book has agents in every major city.

A friend of mine used to play at Pinnacle for years with an agent (And not on credit.) He would keep his balance at $10K. Every week, his agent would come see him and either collect or pay out to make it back to $10k.

If you ask any book you play at routinely and you are not betting $5, they will give you an agent...


But realistically, there will always be neteller or a like company.

Sean


Sean can I have my email forwarded to you via TTinco.
 

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Iceman said:
Was Paypal ever an option for a short time?

Google that shit.

PayPal Rolls Dice on Gambling

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http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,53533,00.html

Nearly 500 gambling sites signed up to accept PayPal in the first quarter this year, almost doubling the company's roster of such merchants, which stood at 1,022 as of March 31, according to PayPal.

In exchange for taking such a risk, PayPal is expected to derive more than $16 million from Internet gaming in 2002.


PayPal settles with N.Y. over gambling

http://news.com.com/2100-1017-954672.html

Under the agreement, announced Wednesday, PayPal will stop processing payments from New York customers to Internet casino Web sites as of Sept. 1.


EBay Says No to PayPal Gambling

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http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,53703,00.html

Under the terms of its planned purchase of PayPal (<ticker>PYPL</ticker>), eBay said Monday it intends to stop offering the payment service for Internet gambling transactions.



EBay, which plans to acquire PayPal in an estimated $1.5 billion stock transaction, attributed its decision to an "uncertain regulatory environment surrounding online gaming."
 

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Zapster said:
Before Neteller I used PayPal. As I recall, Neteller got their act together (they had some DEF-inate early growing pains which have been totally resolved) shortly after PayPal went Hollywood on us.

Before PayPal I used Western Union to fund the accounts and Fed-Ex to have checks sent to me. Compared to Neteller that WAS like using horse and buggy. I shudder to think of going back to that.......!!

I spoke to Neteller today and they said it is business as usual.....and I like to believe that it will stay that way.

Like the kid says in My Cousin Vinny: "There's nothing to worry about until there's something to worry about."

But if worst does indeed come to worst, we are back to how it was in the late 90's......which is STILL better than it was before that.

Personally I think Neteller (or their equivilent) will be around long after all this reactive hysteria dies down. There is simply too much money to be made.

My favorite is from Yogi Berra (NY Yankee Catcher);

" Are you kidding, nobody goes there anymore
It's too crowded "
 

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Western Union and Moneygram. It would be very difficult for the government to block these because all of the books have developed hundreds of contacts in various parts of the world and they change week to week. So unless they close down WU and Moneygram, there is no way to identify these names as "online gaming".

Western Union is no longer an option for the larger player. They're not stupid..they know which countries are notorious for gambling and ended up watching the names and monies that were moving. Most if not all of the former heavy users of Western Union are now on a watch list. I can no longer send or receive via that method...regardless of amount.
 

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Wilheim has my permanent email I believe if you want to email me.

If you know my old site, email me at cash@ oldsite.com

Sean
 

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When I was in college online sportsbooks would let me use credit cards to gamble away money I didn't have and put myself in a whole world of trouble.

Took me years to get out of that hole!

I only remember neteller going into play when Visa and Mastercard started to deny gambling-related transactions.
 

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CHECK THIS OUT

The new rules, which were approved by lawmakers on Saturday and now await President Bush's signature to become law, would ban U.S.-based banks or credit card companies from processing payments for gambling activities that are illegal here.
Some of the estimated 12 million to 20 million U.S. online gamblers, commiserating in online forums, already said they planned to set up overseas bank accounts.
Together, those gamblers contribute more than half the industry's estimated worldwide annual revenue of $12 billion, according to estimates provided by University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center.
Online gambling firms, meanwhile, may respond with tactics that could include a step straight out of the Wild West -- taking payment in gold or silver rather than cash.
"This is a smart industry, there'll be hundreds of workarounds," said Jay Bailey, director of development for the National Right To Online Gaming, a three-month-old entity representing 20,000 online gamblers.
Based on Monday's stock trading in London, Internet gambling firms may need to act fast to save their industry. The U.S. legislation pummeled the shares of U.K.-based Internet companies that get the majority of their revenue from U.S. poker and sports bettors.
Two of the firms called off merger talks, while several more gambling sites began telling customers they will not sign up U.S. customers once the legislation becomes law. See full story.
According to Bailey, several gambling sites are already part-owners of commodities companies. That could allow them to steer customers to their commodities units to set up payment accounts, which could use precious metals or other commodities as currency for payment, rather than cash.
Still, it's not clear whether such a strategy would circumvent the pending rules - which direct the U.S. Treasury and the Federal Reserve to force U.S. financial institutions to block payments from the U.S. to offshore gambling companies.
The rules, which may be interpreted as allowing some types of payments while blocking others, could prove difficult to enforce, according to some analysts.
A more straightforward way to challenge the rules would be to lobby major U.S. trading partners to petition the World Trade Organization to block the U.S. move to end online gambling.
"Should a large trading partner with a legal, regulated Internet gambling industry step in, the Bush administration would be forced to respond," Andrew Parmentier, senior analyst with Friedman, Billings, Ramsey & Co. Inc. noted Monday.
Several of the largest online gambling sites, including PartyGaming, (UK:pRTY: news, chart, profile) 888 Holdings (UK:888: news, chart, profile) , Sportingbet (UK:SBT: news, chart, profile) and World Gaming PLC (UK:WGP: news, chart, profile) , are based in the U.K., where online gambling is legal.
Other gambling firms are contemplating setting up Internet networking technology in countries outside the U.S. as a way of skirting the new rules, Bailey said.
One oft-cited workaround is for online gamblers to sign-up for credit cards with firms located outside North America, or establish bank accounts outside the U.S.
At least some gamblers believe that strategy will allow them to successfully skirt the law, according to a posting on the Web site www.pocketfives.com, which calls itself the Online Poker Authority.
"If my address credentials are non-U.S., it is therefore legal for my funds to be transferred," said Chris H., who said he is planning on circumventing the proposed law.
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Ben Charny is a MarketWatch reporter based in San Francisco.
 

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I used to send postal money orders via regular mail to Bowman's, before I found Neteller.
 

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The only way the Feds can completely shut off financial transfers to offshore books is to shut down the entire international banking system. Bill Frist and his religious fundamentalist crowd might be willing to do it, but no one else in the country is--particularly the business interests that back both major parties. Basically, the world economy is too interdependent now and the access to the world too frictionless now to put the genie back in the bottle. Just keep supporting the books like WSEX that aren't going to "cut and run" and the marketplace will provide....
 

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"This is a smart industry, there'll be hundreds of workarounds," said Jay Bailey, director of development for the National Right To Online Gaming, a three-month-old entity representing 20,000 online gamblers.

He is spot on with that quote.
 

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Western Union and Moneygram. It would be very difficult for the government to block these because all of the books have developed hundreds of contacts in various parts of the world and they change week to week. So unless they close down WU and Moneygram, there is no way to identify these names as "online gaming".

Western Union is no longer an option for the larger player. They're not stupid..they know which countries are notorious for gambling and ended up watching the names and monies that were moving. Most if not all of the former heavy users of Western Union are now on a watch list. I can no longer send or receive via that method...regardless of amount.

Wrong buddy ...going around western union is quite easy...

You want to deposit $5000 or $10000 have 4 friends of yours sending the money for you to different locations.

The problem is some customers are really dumb,... if you send 5 transactions of $1000 each to 3 guys from friday to monday, ddddduuuuuhhh hello, you are black listed. Even more if you request a payment under your name on TUESDAY (MMM AFTER THE WEEKEND'S ACTION) .. Western Union won't complain...just don't make it obvious...
 

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Western Union and Moneygram. It would be very difficult for the government to block these because all of the books have developed hundreds of contacts in various parts of the world and they change week to week. So unless they close down WU and Moneygram, there is no way to identify these names as "online gaming".

I wouldn't say that at all. Players here have already told stories of how WU has cut them off and won't let them send money to known offshore places. The Gov't is putting pressure on everyone to stop them from sending money to these places.
 

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