Is this Valuev monster a fighter or a sideshow???

OMNIVOROUS FROG · Oct 3, 2006

All these fights in Europe were a joke. He appears to be a lumbering oaf. Most opinions say he is getting beat but getting the decisions. You can get away with a lot overseas and nobody watches telecasts, but this fight is Midwest America HBO? He did not even box when he was a kid, no golden gloves, and competed in Olympics as a hammer or discuss thrower. The guy he is fighting is much more than a journeyman, Monte Barrett. Guy from New York, pretty slick fighter. They had slideshow on site and he was ripped. So at least he is in shape. Has been a top contender for years, came up through the ranks, golden gloves champ, all the way up. He is far from bum of the week. Don King can pull some strings, but you can only do so much on HBO, in front of everybody. They posted odds, and made the strong man a fat -5.25 fave. I think best takeback is +4.66. Hey I can take a flier on that. I'm betting it anyway but any and all opinions on this would be appreciated. Don't bother saying Don King is going to Fuck You. I am going in with my ass wide open knowing this. But just about the fighters, either and or both. Thanks.

Best Wishes...OF :howdy:

Fight is Oct 7.

da1prophet · Oct 3, 2006

Valuev, who looks like Chewbacca the Wookie from the Star Wars movies due to his size and prodigeous amount of body hair, is actually a pretty skilled guy for his size. He's no Sugar Ray Robinson, but he's not just a freak show either. Kevin Iole in the Las Vegas Review Journal had a good article about the fight, which none of the serious boxing people I know think that Valuev will have any problems with:

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Sep-30-Sat-2006/sports/9963803.html

OMNIVOROUS FROG · Oct 3, 2006

Nice read. Not exactly a shining endorsement for either guy. Barrett brought in some credible people for his training camp, and has fought way better competiton. He is in great shape, ripped. Nothing I have read says this Valuev is anything but a curiosity. If Barrett's mind is right, the only thing I question, he has a shot. Thanks again.

Best Wishes...OF :howdy:

go2guy · Oct 3, 2006

A Sideshow that has a chance in an average HW division. Man I wish Lennox Lewis still had it in him to box. He would take this freak out.

da1prophet · Oct 3, 2006

go2guy said:
A Sideshow that has a chance in an average HW division. Man I wish Lennox Lewis still had it in him to box. He would take this freak out.

Honestly, I think any of the other three "alphabet soup" heavyweight champions would handle Valuev with ease. Wlad Klitchiko and Oleg Maskaev certainy would....

OMNIVOROUS FROG · Oct 3, 2006

Barrett was Lewis retirement match. Stayed with him the distance.

Monte Barrett (born May 26, 1971, Greenville, North Carolina) is a professional boxer. Known as "Two Gunz", the American fighter has been a top rated heavyweight for the past five years, and recently dropped a lackluster decision to WBC Heavyweight champion Hasim Rahman. Barrett is promoted by Don King, and as a result is still heavily in the heavyweight mix. Despite his loss, he will fight WBA Heavyweight champion Nikolay Valuev in October at Madison Square Garden in what is being billed as Valuev's "coming out party" to American boxing fans. Monte doesn't have a particularly distinct style or a lot of power, but finds ways to craftily win fights. Prior to his loss to Rahman, he defeated contenders Owen Beck and Dominick Guinn, both of whom were undefeated at the time, to line up the title shot. Monte got off to a fast start in his pro career, defeating his first 21 opponents, prior to dropping a close decision to Lance Whitaker. Monte later was dominated, but showed heart in rising five times, against future champion Wladimir Klitschko. Barrett also later locked horns in a memorable battle with Joe Mesi, which was an exciting see-saw battle in which Mesi almost had Barrett out, but Barrett battled back spiritedly and nearly took the undefeated Mesi out.

Best Wishes...OF :howdy:

X-Files · Oct 3, 2006

No value in Valuev.

valdosta · Oct 3, 2006

IMO the best bet on this fight is the over. Barrett is tough and has heart. Only been stopped against Wlad Klitchko who hits way harder than Valuev. Valuev has a sturdy chin as well. Should go 12 IMO.

OMNIVOROUS FROG · Oct 4, 2006

He got up 5 times vs. Pachinko. Has a ton of heart. He has also ended a bunch of undefeated hopefuls better than this guy. Thanks Val, appreciate the boxing advice. What if this Valuev gets rocked, I know Monte has a ton of heart, but this guy, I have no idea. Still time to plan...Monte is not a real KO guy either. Hmmm.

Best wishes...OF :howdy:

MattRain · Oct 4, 2006

OMNIVOROUS FROG said:
What if this Valuev gets rocked

Not a chance, not by Barrett. He's a total no-hoper in this fight. He's only fared well against other smallish heavies. Valuev weighs a hundred more pounds than his average opponent. :lolBIG:

It's very hard for these guys to punch UP at Valuev, let alone land solidly then get out of range before that 10-ton jab destroys their faces.

Klitschko would toy with NV. Maskaev is borderline. Peter might hurt him a bit, but I don't see him winning over 12 rounds.

Current heavies suck so bad.

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OMNIVOROUS FROG · Oct 4, 2006

Smallish heavies? He wasted undefeated Owen Beck who weighed in 235. He was beating the crap out of Joe Mesi, 230, and rocked him several times in the garden only to be jobbed by decision. Very next fight Mesi brain was bleeding. Most accounts ringside said he was dominating after slow start and getting rocked by Mesi early. The crowd booed the decision, a fairly impartial crowd since both were New Yorkers. He also ended another guys undefeated string, but he was only 217, I will say he was smallish.

I know who the better boxer is. While all the undefeated contenders he has rocked or ended thier undefeated run, none were as raw as this guy. This could be the worst fighter he has faced for some time. I will take fast and a bit smaller with tons of top contender experience over slow lumbering and two disputed wins vs. has beens. This will be Valuev's biggest test so far, a hungry top contender. Not so worried about the size difference.

Best Wishes...OF :howdy:

valdosta · Oct 4, 2006

OMNIVOROUS FROG said:
He got up 5 times vs. Pachinko. Has a ton of heart. He has also ended a bunch of undefeated hopefuls better than this guy. Thanks Val, appreciate the boxing advice. What if this Valuev gets rocked, I know Monte has a ton of heart, but this guy, I have no idea. Still time to plan...Monte is not a real KO guy either. Hmmm.

Best wishes...OF :howdy:

I thought Ruiz beat Valuev and Ruiz landed some pretty good shots. Never rocked Valuev though. Valuev's chin has been solid up until this point of his career. I have a hard time seeing Barrett stopping him. Barrett has stopped 2 of his last 9 opponents. He just don't stop any fighter with a half decent chin. Valuev has never even been on the deck in his 44 fights. When you are as slow as he is, that is saying something because he does get hit.

MattRain · Oct 4, 2006

OMNIVOROUS FROG said:
Smallish heavies? He wasted undefeated Owen Beck who weighed in 235. He was beating the crap out of Joe Mesi, 230, and rocked him several times in the garden only to be jobbed by decision. Very next fight Mesi brain was bleeding. Most accounts ringside said he was dominating after slow start and getting rocked by Mesi early. The crowd booed the decision, a fairly impartial crowd since both were New Yorkers. He also ended another guys undefeated string, but he was only 217, I will say he was smallish.

I know who the better boxer is. While all the undefeated contenders he has rocked or ended thier undefeated run, none were as raw as this guy. This could be the worst fighter he has faced for some time. I will take fast and a bit smaller with tons of top contender experience over slow lumbering and two disputed wins vs. has beens. This will be Valuev's biggest test so far, a hungry top contender. Not so worried about the size difference.

Best Wishes...OF :howdy:

Hmmm... I think that Barrett is an easier fight for Big V than Ruiz was.

Both Beck and Mesi are small by (super)heavyweight standards. They're thick-bodied and carry some amount of fat, so I rank them in the smallish 215-225 heavies category along with Byrd, Toney, Williamson, etc. Both of them also have awful defense - Mesi was knocked down thrice by a blown-up cruiserweight (Jirov) and Beck is just mediocre in every respect, plenty hittable by an average boxer like Barrett. If you saw the fight between these two, it was pretty much even when Beck finally got stopped.

Size difference is everything here, IMO, 'cause Barrett doesn't have the smarts, the speed or the style to bother Valuev. I don't think it's worth unloading on Valuev @ -550, but I'll gladly parlay it with Casamayor (or Corrales, haven't made up my mind) this weekend.

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