Reaction to new Bill

CharlieMaxwell · Oct 4, 2006

Online bookmakers are understandably reluctant to talk about the Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006, otherwise known as ‘Screw sports bettors and poker players.’ The bill was snuck into a totally unrelated port security bill and approved by Congress this past weekend. What does it mean?

Read the rest of Phillp Hogan's latest column by going to the RX home page at www.therx.com

Charlie

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Brock Landers · Oct 4, 2006

The wire act HAS NOT been updated in any way with the passage of this bill...thats something that hasn't been dealt with yet, so the premise of the article, while noteworthy, is incorrect.

vanzack · Oct 4, 2006

The title of this article is misleading. The wire act has no more teeth than before this legislation passed.

The article doesnt even make a case that the wire act has been updated.

Why would you post such a headline on a gambling forum?

Brock Landers · Oct 4, 2006

vanzack said:
The title of this article is misleading. The wire act has no more teeth than before this legislation passed.

The article doesnt even make a case that the wire act has been updated.

Why would you post such a headline on a gambling forum?

We agree on something? LOL

Exactly though, VERY Misleading.

CharlieMaxwell · Oct 4, 2006

This is the paragraph of the RX home page story that mentioned the Wire Act.

The archaic 1961 Wire Act, which prohibits bookmaking across state phone lines, now has teeth thanks to passage of this bill. It means Web sites, Internet Service Providers, agents and banks involved with online gambling are more vulnerable to federal prosecution.

Charlie

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vanzack · Oct 4, 2006

Charlie Maxwell said:
This is the paragraph of the RX home page story that mentioned the Wire Act.

The archaic 1961 Wire Act, which prohibits bookmaking across state phone lines, now has teeth thanks to passage of this bill. It means Web sites, Internet Service Providers, agents and banks involved with online gambling are more vulnerable to federal prosecution.

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But that is UNTRUE and MISLEADING. The wire act had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with this legislation. NOTHING. ZERO. ZILCH. NADA.

Why would you report something like this that is very misleading on a site that is at the forefront of trying to cut through rumors and only give the truth?

Very irresponsible.

CharlieMaxwell · Oct 4, 2006

First of all, this is NOT my article. It is Phillip Hogan's and he is certainly entitled to his opinion that this new bill gives teeth to the Wire Act. Have you read the ENTIRE article, or are you just commenting on one graph of it.

Charlie

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vanzack · Oct 4, 2006

Charlie Maxwell said:
First of all, this is NOT my article. It is Phillip Hogan's and he is certainly entitled to his opinion that this new bill gives teeth to the Wire Act. Have you read the ENTIRE article, or are you just commenting on one graph of it.

Charlie

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I have read the whole article. The paragraph you quote above is inaccurate and misleading. IT IS NOT OPINION. It is fact. The wire act is not mentioned in the Gambling Bill anywhere. HAVE YOU READ THE BILL?

The title of the article is misleading and inaccurate.

So yes, I would say that if it was you who decided to post a misleading and inaccurate story on your front page as news then you are doing a disservice to your site and the gambling community.

Why would you condone something that is not factual?

buddyboy · Oct 4, 2006

title should be:

homo congressmen has sex with page, forcing Internet Gambling to go underground

CharlieMaxwell · Oct 4, 2006

Van,

I changed the title of the article to: "Reaction to new Bill" Phillip will be joining the thread momentarily to explain why he thinks this new bill gives teeth to the Wire Act.

Charlie

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PhillipHogan · Oct 4, 2006

Thank you Brock and Van for your feedback. I understand what you're saying about the comment in my article saying the wire act now has teeth.

You are correct about this bill not being connected to the wire act. It was a comment I put in that was meant to show the government has strengthened their hand with this new legislation.

In hindsight, I should have used another comparison. I can see where this would be misleading.

The editor has been alerted and the headline will be changed.

Thanks again for pointing this out.

vanzack · Oct 4, 2006

Charlie Maxwell said:
Van,

I changed the title of the article to: "Reaction to new Bill" Phillip will be joining the thread momentarily to explain why he thinks this new bill gives teeth to the Wire Act.

Charlie

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I will read his reply with an open mind.

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vanzack · Oct 4, 2006

Phillip Hogan said:
Thank you Brock and Van for your feedback. I understand what you're saying about the comment in my article saying the wire act now has teeth.

You are correct about this bill not being connected to the wire act. It was a comment I put in that was meant to show the government has strengthened their hand with this new legislation.

In hindsight, I should have used another comparison. I can see where this would be misleading.

The editor has been alerted and the headline will be changed.

Thanks again for pointing this out.

No problem. Let me explain why it seems like I am a psycho killer on too much caffeine...

The day this bill was passed there were reactionists everywhere on the net who didnt take the time to read the bill and were just out to spread rumors and fears. It has been a struggle for many here to report the truth and finally we are seeing many who are starting to understand what the legislation means and what they can do to help.

If a website as respected as the RX - and is as widely publicized as the RX - and also can be reported on by other media - reports something that is misleading I think we are taking steps back as a community. We (the gamblers) are at a severe disadvantage because we are not organized and all we have are these forums for information. So when Frist says "gambling is clearly illegal already" for political gain - and there is an article on the RX saying that the Wire Act has teeth - it makes people confused and they throw in the towel.

My passion for this issue should not be confused with anger or cynicism.

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This past weekend, the U.S. Senate, led by Republican politician Bill Frist, slipped last-minute legislation into a port security bill that essentially bans Internet gambling.<o

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who have a colleague behind bars for getting rich off of defense contractors;<o

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who share leaders that actively cover up the activities of a sexual predator roaming the halls of Congress;<o

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"This goes beyond the absurd," exclaimed Shane Cory, executive director of the Libertarian National Committee. "Using the supposed War on Terror in defense of this legislation designed to legislate morality is sickening. Using this same reasoning, Congress should close Vegas as 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta made a least two trips to the '<st1

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Electing Libertarian leaders is our job. We don't do any good screaming into the darkness, and we must work our hearts out for every vote that our candidates gain.<o

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Dr.Knowitall · Oct 4, 2006

Voting is a fraud.

We need to take this country back by force!

This country is not ours anymore and you guys need to stop pretending it is. We are slaves to money and that's what keeps us from changing anything. The money does what it wants and the stupid america keeps feeding the greedy rich who tells them what to do every hour of the day.

The only way to stop this dictatorship is for everyone to just stop working and buying things for a couple weeks. Then you will see the rich pull out all their money and hit the road to another country with our money. They would leave us with nothing. If we don't work to support them they will find another country to destroy with their greed.

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