Books that discourage WITHDRAWLS, ie...recreational...

Doug · Oct 6, 2006

I know, poor English, tongue-in-cheek spelling.

Skybook gets top award, but not by much, at least they sponsor contests, and give TV's to everybody but me.

One $2500 monthly free is all I ask from SKY.

CRIS at least gives it up on Fri, but gouges you for $30 ( $2500 limit) if not on Fri., that's over 1 %

Wagerweb changed back to one a month free, but only 2k, then $20 for additional, or 1%, Trojan similar at one free then $25 to $2500.... makes you want to stop playing there for awhile, until you can become eligible next month... that's the ticket... drive your customers away for awhile !

5Dimes does it OK, if you can fit thru their little time window every 5th Monday, that's 9k at a shot, not bad !

Then there always exist places like Matchbook and Mansion ,that just pay free, and have extremely low vig, or Pinny that will send you a whole roll of dimes for $15, after the one free.

No provision at all ( SKY) to pay free is a trap to snare the small fish, he can never withdrawl ( the $20 bettor), unless he runs balance to 2k+, otherwise the fee is a burden, you can't pay $15 to withdrawl $200 !

I'm not a huge player ( not sure what huge really is), but I bet !

I don't like paying 1% to withdraw, it could be a prohibitive 10% or more , for a real small guy, or a total trap, in other words.

Pretty Shitty to get stuck at one book, because you can't afford to withdrawl.

I guess I blew my shot ( yet, again ! ), for that open mod postion, since OMT resigned !

:missingte

kidslick · Oct 6, 2006

I must be out of the loop

when did old man ted resign

freebie · Oct 6, 2006

just imagine a small guy who bets $5-$25 a game. When do you expect the dude to cash out at Skybook with the outrageous withdraw fee of $25?

small dude cashes out $200 - $25 NT fee = $175 hmm not much left to spend.

The_Man · Oct 6, 2006

you gotta be careful out there

some of these books are awful tricky

heard a rumor cascade might start charging $80 per withdrawal here pretty soon.

:smoking:

AngleBroom · Oct 6, 2006

I hate fees. Fees for what? Wasn't that hard to get my money in... what's the big hassle about for takin it out? From a business perspective they're already making enough off players, it's called vigorish and rake.:realtongu

Doug · Oct 6, 2006

a fee is OK for excessive transactions, one free monthly withdrawl should be a constitutional right, otherwise a small player effectively can never cash out, the fee prevents it being feasable ( sp ?).

AngleBroom · Oct 6, 2006

Doug said:
a fee is OK for excessive transactions, one free monthly withdrawl should be a constitutional right, otherwise a small player effectively can never cash out, the fee prevents it being feasable ( sp ?).

I think they go overboard with it. No difference in these transactions than automatic billpay. What would you say if Geico wanted to tack on an extra $15-25 every month your premium was up? You'd be like wtf? Think I'll write a check.

AngleBroom · Oct 6, 2006

I think the correct spelling is FEEsable. LOL

Doug · Oct 6, 2006

One free withdrawal a month ( even only $2000-2500) lets a guy have a way out for free, otherwise you ( if small) can never get out because $15-25 fees on a few hundred prevent it. Even $25 on $2500 is still 1%, on $3-500 forget it. I'm just looking out for the smaller guy, and suggest they play at places that give you some way out. Most books give one.

sean1 · Oct 6, 2006

It costs the books 3% (Maybe 2% for the biggest books) to use neteller, so be happy they charge you 1% or $30.

I don't even notice the withdrawal fee. Every dollar I take out is going somewhere that gives me 20% or so.... Thus I consider it 19% up, not 1% down.

They aren't in the game to lose money.

Sean

bulldog77 · Oct 6, 2006

Vig, rake and they get to use our money for free. Will not deal with any book that doesn't give at least one free w/d a month and process it very fast when I ask for it. That's minimum.

Doug · Oct 6, 2006

sean1 said:
It costs the books 3% (Maybe 2% for the biggest books) to use neteller, so be happy they charge you 1% or $30.

I don't even notice the withdrawal fee. Every dollar I take out is going somewhere that gives me 20% or so.... Thus I consider it 19% up, not 1% down.

They aren't in the game to lose money.

Sean

There have to be different NT plans for big books. Pinny doesn't pay 2% of 50k ( 1k) to send you that, or Mansion. Small time books probably do pay 2.9%.

I can't get a bonus everytime. If I take out of Sky to put into 5D there is no bonus, but there is a fee. You run out of new books and re-ups at some point.

For me sending money to Mansion, Pinnacle, 5Dimes,SIA,CRIS,Matchbook, Wagerweb,etc. rarely results in a bonus, anymore. Withdrawals become needed to properly balance things out.

There are only about 20 books I use regularly, I might do a Gameday, USsportsbook or Beted type of place every now and then, but that's more to earn back fees paid to others.

A 20% bonus at a place like Legendz with -110 lines isn't worth very much to me. I'd have to try to lose it one shot, and get back to Matchbook or somewhere with low vig.

It isn't worth doing for 20% and full juice, IMO. The bonus needs to be bigger or the shop needs to be a keeper.

sean1 · Oct 6, 2006

Well at Legendz, you can bet every NFL game on a Sunday with a free 1/2 pt including the threes. Combine this with the 20% and I'll take the max ($500/game) thanks. (If they charged me 10% to deposit, I'd take it too)

Sean

cincy_ · Oct 6, 2006

sean1 said:
Well at Legendz, you can bet every NFL game on a Sunday with a free 1/2 pt including the threes. Combine this with the 20% and I'll take the max ($500/game) thanks. (If they charged me 10% to deposit, I'd take it too)

Sean

... but you HAVE TO bet every game, right?

Doug · Oct 6, 2006

sean1 said:
Well at Legendz, you can bet every NFL game on a Sunday with a free 1/2 pt including the threes. Combine this with the 20% and I'll take the max ($500/game) thanks. (If they charged me 10% to deposit, I'd take it too)

Sean

I didn't know about that deal. I'll look into that, even if you do have to bet every game. You could sort of get rid of the ones you don't want at Skybook, taking a half point the other way, and having a middle to compensate for the vig.

That's worth it with no bonus. Does PIG do it, too ?

Muddy · Oct 6, 2006

Doug said:
There have to be different NT plans for big books..

Yes, there are. Some books pay 3% and dont negotiate and some books negotiate with neteller and pay $15 flat fee for every transaction. Thats how it was 3-4 yrs ago

Doug · Oct 6, 2006

NightHawk said:
Yes, there are. Some books pay 3% and dont negotiate and some books negotiate with neteller and pay $15 flat fee for every transaction. Thats how it was 3-4 yrs ago

I don't even believe $15. I'm sure there are small players that take $50 out of places like Mansion almost every day, no way does Mansion pay that much.

I think there is a NT merchant plan that is super-cheap. There are several places that give unlimited NT.

Woody0 · Oct 6, 2006

I liked the policy of Easybets, a book I can no longer use. They charged 2% for NETeller but a check in the mail was free and they always reached N. America within the week, sometimes 3 days.