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winbet · Oct 13, 2006

What are our players betting now?

Philadelphia -3.5 -106 v New Orleans
In the highest-traded game of the week, the Eagles opened as 2.5-point road favorites where several early bets from sharps quickly moved the line. The professionals clearly like the Eagles at -2.5 and even -3, but are passing on Philly -3.5. New Orleans has been a fairly public team this year, so we expect Saints backers to take the +3.5, which could force this game to close on the 3.

Chicago/Arizona Over 38 -107
The opening total of 37 was heavily bet by the public forcing the line up to 38. The sharps have not expressed an opinion on this game yet, which may indicate that they’re waiting for Monday night to play the under. While the Bears’ have averaged over 31 points per game this season, it remains to be seen if the Cardinals can score against the dominant Chicago defense.

Florida +1 -105 v Auburn
Auburn was embarrassed last week losing to Arkansas 27-10 at home. Public bettors often back top-ranked teams following this type of loss using a “bounce back” theory. This game is clearly following that trend as a lot of public money has already come in on the Tigers. The sharps clearly favor Florida, and their larger wagers have pushed the opener of Florida +1.5

Pinnacle are in a comfort zone at the moment but the exchanges will eventually swallow them up however, what sort of arrogance is it when you call your clientel, non-sharp. I'm not saying their wrong, just degrading their own punters seems like long term suicide. The chances are that they are so smug in their attitude that by posting things like this they will get the action they want, not the first time its been done. :drink:

vanzack · Oct 13, 2006

winbet said:
What are our players betting now?

Philadelphia -3.5 -106 v New Orleans
In the highest-traded game of the week, the Eagles opened as 2.5-point road favorites where several early bets from sharps quickly moved the line. The professionals clearly like the Eagles at -2.5 and even -3, but are passing on Philly -3.5. New Orleans has been a fairly public team this year, so we expect Saints backers to take the +3.5, which could force this game to close on the 3.

Chicago/Arizona Over 38 -107
The opening total of 37 was heavily bet by the public forcing the line up to 38. The sharps have not expressed an opinion on this game yet, which may indicate that they’re waiting for Monday night to play the under. While the Bears’ have averaged over 31 points per game this season, it remains to be seen if the Cardinals can score against the dominant Chicago defense.

Florida +1 -105 v Auburn
Auburn was embarrassed last week losing to Arkansas 27-10 at home. Public bettors often back top-ranked teams following this type of loss using a “bounce back” theory. This game is clearly following that trend as a lot of public money has already come in on the Tigers. The sharps clearly favor Florida, and their larger wagers have pushed the opener of Florida +1.5

Pinnacle are in a comfort zone at the moment but the exchanges will eventually swallow them up however, what sort of arrogance is it when you call your clientel, non-sharp. I'm not saying their wrong, just degrading their own punters seems like long term suicide. The chances are that they are so smug in their attitude that by posting things like this they will get the action they want, not the first time its been done. :drink:

I take a different opinion on why they do this.

I think they are in tune with all of the "public / sharp" nonsense theories out there and are playing in to it - creating more interest and action on those games.

I dont beleive that they think anyone is public or sharp. They just use these terms because the gambling public buys in to it.

SportSavant · Oct 13, 2006

exchanges will eventually swallow

unless they turn themsleves into an exchange...

SportSavant · Oct 13, 2006

vanzack said:
I take a different opinion on why they do this.

I think they are in tune with all of the "public / sharp" nonsense theories out there and are playing in to it - creating more interest and action on those games.

I dont beleive that they think anyone is public or sharp. They just use these terms because the gambling public buys in to it.

absolutely, what they are doing is trying to 'capture the imagination' of the punter and bring themselves more business. I dont think there is much relevence to them, and I always take em with a grain of salt

winbet · Oct 13, 2006

vanzack said:
I take a different opinion on why they do this.

I think they are in tune with all of the "public / sharp" nonsense theories out there and are playing in to it - creating more interest and action on those games.

I dont beleive that they think anyone is public or sharp. They just use these terms because the gambling public buys in to it.

I think thats what I said :103631605

Muddy · Oct 13, 2006

I dont think the public moved the bears total

winbet · Oct 13, 2006

SportSavant said:
unless they turn themsleves into an exchange...

Too late for them, their Days are numbered, a bit like your Days of being sharp are gone forever, such is Married Life. :missingte

Seriously though, best of luck, your a great couple. :thumbsup2:

SportSavant · Oct 13, 2006

winbet said:
Too late for them, their Days are numbered, a bit like your Days of being sharp are gone forever, such is Married Life. :missingte

Seriously though, best of luck, your a great couple. :thumbsup2:

Im gonna look you up when we come to Ireland winbet, thats for sure!!!

X-Files · Oct 13, 2006

winbet said:
What are our players betting now?

Philadelphia -3.5 -106 v New Orleans
In the highest-traded game of the week, the Eagles opened as 2.5-point road favorites where several early bets from sharps quickly moved the line. The professionals clearly like the Eagles at -2.5 and even -3, but are passing on Philly -3.5. New Orleans has been a fairly public team this year, so we expect Saints backers to take the +3.5, which could force this game to close on the 3.

Chicago/Arizona Over 38 -107
The opening total of 37 was heavily bet by the public forcing the line up to 38. The sharps have not expressed an opinion on this game yet, which may indicate that they’re waiting for Monday night to play the under. While the Bears’ have averaged over 31 points per game this season, it remains to be seen if the Cardinals can score against the dominant Chicago defense.

Florida +1 -105 v Auburn
Auburn was embarrassed last week losing to Arkansas 27-10 at home. Public bettors often back top-ranked teams following this type of loss using a “bounce back” theory. This game is clearly following that trend as a lot of public money has already come in on the Tigers. The sharps clearly favor Florida, and their larger wagers have pushed the opener of Florida +1.5

Is this your writeup or an email sent to you by Simon Noble/Pinnacle?

Denny Crane{sharp}.

X-Files · Oct 13, 2006

SportSavant said:
Im gonna look you up when we come to Ireland winbet, thats for sure!!!

Here's a headsup on finding him:

http://www.irishprisons.ie/history.asp

quantumleap · Oct 14, 2006

X-Files said:
Here's a headsup on finding him:

http://www.irishprisons.ie/history.asp

I noticed that there was a harp on that web page. I remember seeing a Euro coin that my friend's wife brought back from Ireland that had a harp on it (each country has their own coin even though they have the same value). I believe there is a Harp Lager and a harp emblem on a Guinness bottle.

:drink:

So I decided to find out how the harp became a symbol of Ireland. OK, so it's a slow Friday night.

Here you go:

http://www.irishcultureandcustoms.com/AEmblem/Harp.htmld

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Emblems of Ireland: The Harp[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]by Bridget Haggerty

[/FONT]

It once graced the flag of the Republic, it still appears on official government documents as well as the Presidential flag, and it is displayed on Irish coins. For centuries, the harp has been a beloved emblem of Ireland. In fact, it is said that the Irish concentrated so much of their musical ability into playing the harp, that for many years, the development of music in Ireland was brought to a relative standstill.

So, how did the harp become an emblem synonymous with the Emerald Isle? According to tradition, an early king of Ireland whose name was David, took the harp of the Psalmist as his badge. This might explain why it was once called a cruit which can mean lyre.

Folklore says that the first harp was owned by Dagda, a chief among the Tuatha De Danaan. The De Danaan were at war with the Fomorians and the harp was taken from Dagda by the gods of cold and darkness. Two other gods, Lugh representing light, and Ogma representing art, penetrated the Fomorian fortress, recovered the harp and restored it to Dagda. The gods in returning the harp to him, pronounced two secret names for the instrument and, at the same time, called forth summer and winter. From that point on, when Dagda played, he could produce a melody so poignant, it would make his audience weep, an air so jubilant it would make everyone smile, or a sound so tranquil, it would lull all who listened to sleep. Thus, with its secret or magical names, the instrument became the dispenser of Sorrow, Gladness and Rest.

Whichever way the harp became Ireland's own unique instrument, and subsequently, its national emblem, history tells us that the people who played it were highly trained professionals who usually performed for the nobility. They were held in very high regard and were often asked to accompany a bardic poet who was giving a reading. However, with the emigration of Ireland's leading families in the 17th and early 18th century, there was a steep decline in the harping tradition and the last traditionally-trained harpist died in the mid-19th century. Interestingly, these superb musicians played with their fingernails and not with the flesh of the fingertips as is done today. It's also interesting to note that new families of English descent were hospitable to well-known harpists such as O'Carolan, and it was a man from the north, Dr. Michael MacDonnell, and an Englishman, Edward Bunting, who assembled the last harpers in Belfast in 1792. Even though very generous fees were offered, they were able to attract only 11 players from the whole country. Bunting attempted to write down as much of the music as he could and his collection is incredibly important because it contains the only remaining remnants of what the ancient tradition must have been like.

So, while this oldest emblem of Ireland is still very much apparent - even to appearing on the Guinness label - most of the ancient airs and melodies it once produced are long gone. Perhaps the first verse of a famous poem by Thomas Moore says it best:

"The harp that once through Tara's halls the soul of music shed,
now hangs as mute on Tara's walls, as if that soul were fled.
So sleeps the pride of former days,
so glory's thrill is o'er,
and hearts that once beat high for praise,
now feel that pulse no more."

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