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This is just bizarre, how could this possibly be legal? Makes me think again with regards to UIGEA's potential impact with regards to funding by wire transfer.

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By Howard Fischer
Capitol Media Services
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 10.19.2006
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PHOENIX — An immigrant rights group wants a federal judge to block Arizona from using a tactic Attorney General Terry Goddard says is necessary to block human- and drug-smuggling rings.

Legal papers filed in U.S. District Court contend warrants issued by Goddard's office to seize wire transfers of $500 or more violate federal constitutional requirements that government must have probable cause before taking the money.

Those warrants have resulted in what plaintiffs contend is the illegal seizure of more than $12 million in interstate transfers of money involving in excess of 11,000 transactions.

The actual number may be larger: Goddard said Wednesday his agency has taken in $17 million from the warrants and arrested more than 100 people smugglers.

Josh Hoyt, executive director of the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights, said he understands Arizona's desire to bust smuggling rings. But he said the state's use of warrants to take every transaction in excess of $500 — and then make senders prove the money is legal — is both unfair and illegal.

"Where this process needs targeted rifle-shot prosecutions, he's committing a legal drive-by shooting with automatic weapons," Hoyt said. "And he is taking out lots of innocent people while he's taking out a few bad guys."
Goddard defended the warrants, saying, "Our investigations and seizures are helping us disrupt human smuggling, secure Arizona's border and make our neighborhoods safer."

He also said the lawsuit — filed under the names of three individuals — isn't about protecting the right to send money without fear of government seizure but to protect the profits of money transmitters.

"If it is successful, our human-smuggling investigations would be crippled, and Western Union and other money transmitters would continue to profit from illegal activity," he said.

Hoyt acknowledged his organization has received grants in the past from Western Union, and confirmed that some of the information for the lawsuit came from the company. But he said the interest of his group is solely to protect the rights of individuals.

Goddard, however, said, Western Union specifically sought out plaintiffs for the lawsuit.

At the heart of the dispute are what the state calls "damming warrants." The name comes from the procedure that allows state prosecutors to get a court order to "dam" up all wire transfers meeting certain criteria until the person to whom the money is being sent can show that the money is for a legal purpose.

Assistant Attorney General Cameron Holmes said prosecutors use a computer algorithm to review every money transfer sent into Arizona. He said these tend to be in amounts between $800 and $1,500, usually in final payments to smugglers for ferrying people into the United States.
Then, under a court warrant, the funds are put into a special fund. The intended recipient can call a toll-free number to claim them. If no claim is made, the money is forfeited to the state.

But the lawsuit says the actions are far broader, with the state issuing warrants — generally good for 10-day periods — for all transfers exceeding a certain amount. Attorney Tim Eckstein, who filed the papers on behalf of three individuals whose money was taken by the state, said those warrants originally affected transfers of $2,000 or more. Now transactions of as little as $500 coming from certain states are subject to seizure.

Goddard said not all wire transfers are seized. He said only those that meet certain criteria are set aside — and recipients with "plausible" explanations can get them back.

State Rep. Steve Gallardo, D-Phoenix, said the state needs authority to go after those who use wire transfers to move money from criminal enterprises.

"At the same time we have to make sure we protect the rights of those folks who legitimately send money back and forth," he said.
Gallardo said seizing transfers of $500 or more affects a lot more people than criminals.

"We should not just be using the $500 threshold," he said, but instead require proof of some sort of pattern or other evidence of criminal activity.
Goddard said the state provides that proof to the judge who issues each of the damming warrants.

Gallardo also said the state's offer to refund funds improperly taken is insufficient because it requires people to go to a government office to prove their ownership in order to get their money back.

"That's intimidating for those folks who perhaps may be here undocumented," he said, and simply want to send money home to relatives.
 

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Suit filed over wire transfers Immigrants group says Ariz. official's crackdown on 'coyotes' also seized innocent people's money

Dennis Wagner
The Arizona Republic
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[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]An immigrant rights group is spearheading a class-action suit filed Wednesday against Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard, alleging that his office illegally seized millions of dollars in Western Union wires as part of its campaign to shut down money laundering by border smugglers.

The U.S. District Court complaint, lodged in Phoenix by three Western Union customers, claims Goddard's bid to intercept so-called coyote fees violates the Fourth Amendment and due-process rights of thousands of innocent people whose funds were frozen.

The plaintiffs "and others similarly situated" are sponsored by the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights, or ICIRR, in coordination with Chicago-based Instituto del Progreso Latino. Josh Hoyt, executive director of the coalition, said Goddard has used "sweeping warrants" to seize more than $12 million in wire transactions based on a broad criminal profile, rather than any probable cause.<!-- BOXAD TABLE --> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=50 align=left border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="COLOR: gray" vAlign=top align=middle>advertisement</TD><TD rowSpan=3>
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"What this situation requires is targeted rifle-shot action to take out coyotes and drug smugglers," Hoyt said in a news release. "But Attorney General Goddard is practicing a legal drive-by shooting . . . hurting the guilty and the innocent alike."

Goddard said there is no substance to the suit, and he believes it was prompted by Western Union because his assault on smuggling organizations has cut into company revenues. Western Union recently filed a separate action in Maricopa County Superior Court, obtaining a temporary order to stop the attorney general's seizures. Goddard said the company also sent letters to clients, asking those who had funds seized to contact Instituto del Progreso Latino.

"They solicited people" for the federal lawsuit, Goddard said. "It's Western Union trying to protect their profits."

Sherry Johnson, corporate director of media relations for Western Union, said in an e-mail that "while we do have a long-standing relationship with this group, I can assure you that this is a completely independent action by the ICIRR."

In an e-mail last week, she complained that Goddard's task force issued a "grossly unfair and inaccurate representation of Western Union and its customers." She also said the company is diligent in efforts to prevent illicit wire transfers.

The federal action alleges that Western Union clients are not advised that they can challenge the seizures in court, where the state would have to prove illegal conduct. It also says numerous customers have been "interrogated, intimidated and threatened by Goddard's agents when attempting to find out about their money. Still others report making several attempts to recover their money and receiving no response."

Goddard denied those allegations and touted the work of his Financial Crimes Task Force, which claims $1.7 billion in coyote fees has been funneled to Arizona smuggling organizations via Western Union in the past few years. Investigators accuse Western Union of inadequate reporting, an allegation the company denies.

Coyotes charge about $1,600 per immigrant, holding them at drophouses in Phoenix until the fee is sent by wire. An estimated 15,000 transactions have been stopped since 2001, with investigators confiscating upward of $17 million. According to Goddard, not a single seizure was challenged in court.

Hoyt and other representatives of the Illinois coalition met with Goddard earlier this month and asked him to halt the "blanket seizures" and create an independent panel to review all confiscations.

Matt Piers, attorney for the plaintiffs, said more than 450 complaints have been received to date. He said undocumented immigrants often send money via Western Union for legitimate purposes but are too fearful to challenge seizures by law enforcement. "They are not going to be on the phone with a police officer," Piers said.

The complaint says Arizona authorities are now snatching wire transfers of more than $500 "based on nothing more than having originated from one of 26 states." Piers said it is absurd to think that someone from Illinois or any other state would fly to Arizona and file a suit against the attorney general to collect $500 or $1,000.

The class-action suit describes circumstances faced by three named plaintiffs:


• Javier Torres, a legal resident of the United States, sent $1,000 to an Arizona friend in March to pay for a car he had purchased. When the friend did not receive the money, Torres called Western Union and was told that Arizona law enforcement agents would contact him. Investigators subsequently advised Torres that he could not recover the money unless he showed proof of ownership. Because Torres already had sold the vehicle, he could not provide the paperwork and lost the funds.


• Lia Rivadeneyra, a Peruvian maid who has been in the country 30 years, sent $500 to her brother who was visiting friends in Sonora. The money was seized. Rivadeneyra was told by Arizona authorities she could not get her funds back unless they spoke with her brother, who had returned to his home in Peru where there was no phone.


• Alma Santiago sent $2,000 to an Arizona cousin in March 2005. Western Union told Santiago that the money had been frozen. She was contacted by an investigator who said she could not recover the cash unless her cousin, who had no phone, spoke with authorities.

Goddard said his investigators carefully target wires based on criminal profiling and are not taking funds sent innocently by illegal immigrants. He said he asked Piers to identify people whose money was confiscated wrongly but got no response.
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The first article was a bit unclear as to whether they are seizing bank wires (ABA/SWIFT) or only Western Union transfers (would ought not be called "wire transfers").

For sports wagering, best forget Western Union and use ACH or ABA/SWIFT transfers.
 

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Adam Selene said:
The first article was a bit unclear as to whether they are seizing bank wires (ABA/SWIFT) or only Western Union transfers (would ought not be called "wire transfers").

For sports wagering, best forget Western Union and use ACH or ABA/SWIFT transfers.

used western union today ,, no problems
 

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kidslick said:
used western union today ,, no problems

Books receive money outside U.S., so something like this would only come up withdrawing, which UIGEA doesn't address. Still, I'd be wary of Western Union long-term.

I thought by the first article they were grabbing ABA/SWIFT transfers, which would be really incredible.
 

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Wow, that is pretty amazing. Almost like a police state. Papers please.
 

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This is just hideous. A state has no business seizing money for something which is supposedly a federal crime, especially related to something Arizona cries out for federal support and enforcement on.
 

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fathead said:
Wow, that is pretty amazing. Almost like a police state. Papers please.

Please explain why the use of almost was necessary.

Amendment IV


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
 

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Yep, hard to believe it is has a Democratic governor with all these GOP friendly missions. They are also requiring ID for voters because some fools seem to think illegals are going to risk being found out about in order to cast a vote. There are knee-jerk reactions and then there is the wild west attitude you find in Arizona.
 

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WildBill said:
Yep, hard to believe it is has a Democratic governor with all these GOP friendly missions. They are also requiring ID for voters because some fools seem to think illegals are going to risk being found out about in order to cast a vote. There are knee-jerk reactions and then there is the wild west attitude you find in Arizona.

You think requiring and ID in order to vote is foolish?
 

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I don't think they are requiring ID's for voting this year... thought I saw that on the news. May be wrong.
 

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I have no problem requiring identification for voting purposes.

I have a big problem with them stealing money from people.
 

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From the article:

"Goddard said not all wire transfers are seized. He said only those that meet certain criteria are set aside — and recipients with "plausible" explanations can get them back."

It doesn't say what "certain criteria" are. The thing that sucks the most is that the people in the government can't be put in jail. This is stealing by the government. If it's found that the government didn't have the power to do it they simply have to give the money back and they still stay in their jobs.
 

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sean1 said:
Guess Arizona is a shitty place to live.

a couple years ago i went to scottsdale for a tennis tournament.
i had a problem w/ my laptop so i went to the business center at the hotel to use a computer to make a bet, and gambling sites were blocked.
 

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a couple years ago i went to scottsdale for a tennis tournament.
i had a problem w/ my laptop so i went to the business center at the hotel to use a computer to make a bet, and gambling sites were blocked.

Man, I hate places that do that. There's a chain of restaurants that offer free wireless called Panera Bread. At the one here, not only is the wireless spotty but they've got some content filter that blocks gambling sites. Like most filters of this sort its very arbitrary--for example, it blocked CBS Sportsline as a "gambling site" but allowed access to the Sports Network site. I'd imagine its a chain-wide policy but the content filter really sucks--they block sites for "alcohol" (Wine Spectator, for example), "tobacco" (Cigar Aficionado) and anything having to do with gambling. I haven't tried surfing porn there, but my guess is its blocked too....

Of course there's ways around it via a proxy server, but I'm not going to patronize a place that tells me that everything I'm interested in is bad....
 

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Woody0 said:
Please explain why the use of almost was necessary.

Amendment IV


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Trying to be less of an extremist. Some of my in-laws already think I am crazy.
 

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