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    Roulette loses them money?

    How do you figure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug
    6 and 8 decks doesn't hurt you much at all, much better than a 6-5 single deck game.
    Worst part of this travesty is that casinos actually try to fool the idiots into thinking 6/5 BJ is a good game because it is single deck. They say things like "at last we have single-deck BJ, you asked for it and now we have it", not saying a thing about the 6/5 change. They literally have suckered hundreds of people who really don't know why single deck games are better in the first place into playing this variety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenDoberman
    Roulette loses them money?

    How do you figure?

    Remember it's things Casinos WON'T tell ya...they'd be lying if they told you Roulette loses them money...right?

    It don't, they won't...

    Got it, good.
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    I'll still take single deck over 6 and 8 decks. They cut it so deep you can't even remotely get an edge counting cards, at least single deck you can.
    The other night I had the dealer draw to 21 on 7 of 9 hands. 16 boom 5, 15 boom 6, 14 boom 7 on and on. Too many cards, maybe its just me but I win at single deck and get my ass kicked at the 6 and 8 decks.
    How do you guys fare at the 6 and 8 decks? How do you play?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKE683
    I'll still take single deck over 6 and 8 decks. They cut it so deep you can't even remotely get an edge counting cards, at least single deck you can.
    The other night I had the dealer draw to 21 on 7 of 9 hands. 16 boom 5, 15 boom 6, 14 boom 7 on and on. Too many cards, maybe its just me but I win at single deck and get my ass kicked at the 6 and 8 decks.
    How do you guys fare at the 6 and 8 decks? How do you play?

    Single deck, 3-2 BJ PO...anything else would be uncivilized.
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    If you play video poker on the optimum play 100+ machines... The Casino cannot win long term if you are playing correctly. Group of 4 playing last night at Sunset station. Player 1 up $ 2200 Player 2 up $ 975 Player 3 up $ 1070 Myself wasted a decent gain to finish + $.50 just so I didn't go home a loser. However all the above figures did not take into consideration the points We were all racking up and I for one was on my 5 times reg bonus day. By the way 3 of us ate at the Costa Del Sol using our points and all had the Lobster and several drinks for a cost of nothing but the tip. I really don't understand why intelligent people will sit right next to us and be playing 97 % machines and losing their as--s ? This is not to say that the same 4 players can all play the same 100+ machines on any given night and all 4 of us lose $$. However, once you know that long term We will come out ahead makes losing nights not really hurt all that much. Just putting in my 2 cents worth for all you non believers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kermit16
    If you play video poker on the optimum play 100+ machines... The Casino cannot win long term if you are playing correctly. Group of 4 playing last night at Sunset station. Player 1 up $ 2200 Player 2 up $ 975 Player 3 up $ 1070 Myself wasted a decent gain to finish + $.50 just so I didn't go home a loser. However all the above figures did not take into consideration the points We were all racking up and I for one was on my 5 times reg bonus day. By the way 3 of us ate at the Costa Del Sol using our points and all had the Lobster and several drinks for a cost of nothing but the tip. I really don't understand why intelligent people will sit right next to us and be playing 97 % machines and losing their as--s ? This is not to say that the same 4 players can all play the same 100+ machines on any given night and all 4 of us lose $$. However, once you know that long term We will come out ahead makes losing nights not really hurt all that much. Just putting in my 2 cents worth for all you non believers!
    I'm not a big video poker guys, so pardon my ignorance, what is the 100+ machines and how long do you play?
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    For some weird reason I have lost everytime I played single deck BJ. I have fared alot better playing the 6-8 decks.. Weird I guess..
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    Have you tried any local casinos Gyno?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKE683
    Have you tried any local casinos Gyno?
    Once in my life @ Morongo(Hate that place) about 4 years ago and made about $145 playing BJ. At that time they were taking .50 cents a hand, I don't think they do that anymore... How about you?
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    Commerce casino, don't go, no bust bullshit and no one there knows how to play. People do crazy shit there, staying on 12, hitting against the dealers 6, makes you want to kill someone, its like five minutes from where i work so it sucks me in, but it horrible.
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    how does another player standing on 12, or really any move by another player against what is correct, hurt you personally?
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    is Pine Tar legal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKE683
    I'm not a big video poker guys, so pardon my ignorance, what is the 100+ machines and how long do you play?
    Not knowing the 100 % + machines is not in any way ignorance. Most tourists and novices really never even think about it and blindly believe that all machines are the same. For instance the game of Jacks or better.....
    The best pay schedule is where a full house pays 9 times your bet and a Flush pays 6 times your wager and 2 pairs pays double. However some pay 8 and 5 times and some pay 7 and 5 and I have seen many on strip pay 6 and 5 ! Would you rather get 45 Dollars for a full house or $30 ?
    Full pay Double bunus pays 10,7,5 times for Full house, Flush and Straight. Most pay only 9,6,4 or even less. Go to www.wizardofodds and learn which games to play and how to play them. It's free to practice and learn to play correctly without losing you paycheck at machines that are long term totally unbeatable !There are a number of differnt Video Poker games that pay over 100 % like full pay deuces wild and double double bonus GL !
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    thanks kermit, very good info!!

    tennis, if you are going to play blackjack and don't know what you are doing, well that does hurt me because i think most people expect you to at least follow standard blackjack play. but i will say it seems more often than not when people play stupid it screws the table, for example the dealer has a five showing, this girl next to me has a 13 against a dealers 5, she hits, she gets a 7, she is all excited she has a 20, dealer flips a 10 for 15 the 7 would have busted the dealer, instead she took the 7 the dealer flips up a 4 for 19, my 18 and 100 dollar bet loses, her 20 and 10 dollar bet wins but the rest of the table lost when the entire table should have won. At this specific casino people do this all the time.
    So if you have a 12 and the dealer has a face, you stay. So you are counting on the dealer busting, thus the dealer has to have a 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 then in turn follow that with a card that will bust them, clearly the odds are not in your favor with that play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gynecologist
    Once in my life @ Morongo(Hate that place) about 4 years ago and made about $145 playing BJ. At that time they were taking .50 cents a hand, I don't think they do that anymore... How about you?
    I call that place "moron go" casino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenDoberman
    The thing that makes me really sad is people keep playing these games and are oblivious they are being bent over and stuck.
    That and the lack of education on the gambler's part with respect to odds keeps these "corporations" reeling in the cash.
    GD:

    I can't tell you how many times people have told me "I play the slots and when I lose a roll of quarters I quit and I figure I've had $20 worth of entertainment. One time I won $60!" Most people play for the chance of winning. I don't know of too many adults that don't know that the odds are against them. It's entertainment for them with the chance that they may get their money back. You don't ever get that by going to the theater or dining out.

    It's like the lottery. They keep buying the tickets on the odd chance that they may win.
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    Nothing is done by so many people with so little knowledge of what they are doing than gambling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acosta
    I disagree with you Fishhead on #1. I know that you know that the payouts on VP are a lot worse than they were 5 years ago, which was worst than 10 years ago. Many casino hit soft 17 now than a few years ago. This is one rule that affects the average player.

    #2 is also correct for the average gambler who will lose more than the comps are worth. This is not true of a player who knows how to beat the system.
    In any endeavor "the average player" and "average gambler" lose.
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    but i will say it seems more often than not when people play stupid it screws the table

    Just seems this way. Their actions are just as likely to help you as hurt you.

    For some weird reason I have lost everytime I played single deck BJ. I have fared alot better playing the 6-8 decks.. Weird I guess..

    Variance.

    People do crazy shit there, staying on 12,

    'Crazy' can sometimes be correct.

    I'll still take single deck over 6 and 8 decks.

    Feel free to do it, doesn't matter if you're playing for kicks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quantumleap
    I call that place "moron go" casino.




    That place is a joke man. Everybody is so damn rude there and it's so damn crowded.. I don't know why anyone would go to that toilet.. Hard up people I guess..
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    Add, the funniest thing you can do at a BJ table is mess up the 'flow'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKE683
    thanks kermit, very good info!!

    tennis, if you are going to play blackjack and don't know what you are doing, well that does hurt me because i think most people expect you to at least follow standard blackjack play. but i will say it seems more often than not when people play stupid it screws the table, for example the dealer has a five showing, this girl next to me has a 13 against a dealers 5, she hits, she gets a 7, she is all excited she has a 20, dealer flips a 10 for 15 the 7 would have busted the dealer, instead she took the 7 the dealer flips up a 4 for 19, my 18 and 100 dollar bet loses, her 20 and 10 dollar bet wins but the rest of the table lost when the entire table should have won. At this specific casino people do this all the time.
    So if you have a 12 and the dealer has a face, you stay. So you are counting on the dealer busting, thus the dealer has to have a 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 then in turn follow that with a card that will bust them, clearly the odds are not in your favor with that play.

    selective memory. Over long term others' play will not affect your overall outcome. A very common misconception.
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    <TABLE id=HB_Mail_Container height="100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0 UNSELECTABLE="on"><TBODY><TR height="100%" UNSELECTABLE="on" width="100%"><TD id=HB_Focus_Element vAlign=top width="100%" background="" height=250 UNSELECTABLE="off">you guys beat me to it. no long term change in ev if people at your table are shares or complete donkeys.</TD></TR><TR UNSELECTABLE="on" hb_tag="1"><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 1pt" height=1 UNSELECTABLE="on">
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    Worse game ever is craps, you roll dice and have 6 idiots staring at you.
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