The jockeys,trainers ,drivers are of very limited intelligence save for a few. Meanwhile, you have doctors and lawyers entrusting their hard earned money on these guys who for $300 would rob their sister...no less pull a horse.... 1-5 shot don't mean a thing in harness racing..they will stiff anything..anytime ..anywhere....it has become such a joke fewer and fewer players are showing up at the tracks..Many tracks like Yonkers in NY have simply SHUT DOWN...no one bets anymore as EVERYONE KNOWS every race is PHONEY...At tracks like NOrthville and Northfield it is absurd..I have seen 2 10-1 shots come in and the exacta pays $49. TRi pays 160....Might as well call in the feds..like they give a damn...I follow the races at these tracks but it is so depressing to see races in 2006 go for 1200. purses .....u cant blame the drivers for stiffing every favorite and second choice and trying to swindle the publics $$..it is only fair.I mean they have to make a living....
gynecologist said:
I heard this story years ago (maybe mid 70s) from an old elevator operator (a profession now defunct I think) in New York City. I'll call him Johnny, as that actually was his name.
In the 1950s and 60s Johnny worked the elevator at a ritzy NYC hotel, the Waldorf I think. (When I knew him he had come down in the world, running the lift at a third rate Upper West Side rat trap.
Johnny was an inveterate horse player. He know the folks at Beneficial Finance by first name, as he'd be there often to get rent and food money after blowing the paycheck at one of the city's harness or thoroughbred tracks.
While at the Waldorf (I think it was) Johnny would often give a ride up to the notorious Mafia kingpin Frank Costello. If you've never heard of Costello, you've seen Brando play him in The Godfather - Don Corleone was based on the figure of Frank.
Costello at this time was semi-retired as a mob boss - he got sick of the repeated assassination attempts and had handed the biz over to Vito Genovese. But he still had mob connections - Johnny told me of the many Mafioso, soldiers and capos, who would come visiting.
One day, on a ride up to his suite, Costello asked Johnny if he played the horses. "Oh, yes, Mr Costello, I sure do." Costello then gave him the name of a horse going in a race at Yonkers that night. "You can safely put as much as you want on this horse, Johnny," said the man often termed The Prince of the Underworld.
So, getting off work that afternoon, Johnny called friends and borrowed as much money as he could. He and 3 buddies then made the trek to Yonkers (a harness track - I'm not sure it's in business anymore)
I'll let Johnny tell the rest, as best as I can recall: "By the time the bell rang me and the friends had put in almost $2000 on this horse. When they broke, our horse was dead last, bad news with the trotters. Then, when they got to the backstretch, the lead horse broke [stride] and had to pull over. Then the second horse did the same. And the horse that was running third. Christ, we couldn't believe it! Maybe only two of the eight horses didn't break, and ours pulled away in the stretch and won easily. We cleaned up that night."
Tanks a lot, godfather.
ya dickie you have really been on the anti ponies last couple of days have a bad run? i know what your saying but the game is very beatable and enjoyable but it is like any other sport u need to watch tapes.....u cant just grab a form and head out to the track recipe for disaster it would be the same as grabbing the gold sheet and firin up a saturday college football card...it is time consuming but for me the most enjoyable prosperous hobby on earth
A Bad Run??????
I have lost 785 consecutive horse bets........on favorites no less.......odds on....all of them........they kicked me out of GA ....MY mother loaned me $300 ..her check bounced.....I finally hit a winner ...$100 on #1 in the 2nd race ...horse paid $44.80.....went to cash the ticket...teller gave me the 3rd race by mistake.....A bad run???
I have lost 785 consecutive horse bets........on favorites no less.......odds on....all of them........they kicked me out of GA ....MY mother loaned me $300 ..her check bounced.....I finally hit a winner ...$100 on #1 in the 2nd race ...horse paid $44.80.....went to cash the ticket...teller gave me the 3rd race by mistake.....A bad run???
ya real bad and dumb how r u not bettin onnline?....rebates at pinny and i dont even wanna tell ya about the real rebates outhere....it would really get to ya that
i bet at 4 places all month every month if i break even i win 6k it is all about where u chose to do your damage i am sorry about your bad horse expierences i wish all could be as good as mine
i bet at 4 places all month every month if i break even i win 6k it is all about where u chose to do your damage i am sorry about your bad horse expierences i wish all could be as good as mine
Dickiesmiles has been ranting about fixed races for a long time.
Just one of many old threads.
http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=372690
wil.
Just one of many old threads.
http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=372690
wil.
I've said it many times.........Play your Mothers Birthday! I always said it but never do-it..... Lets go check 3-2-6 in 14 races @ Northfield and see how I've woud've done?
BTW if the poster who mentioned Northfield wants a winner or 2 @ Northfield just do a $2 exacta box on the morning line favorites $12 x's 14
Wager $168 to win.........
BTW if the poster who mentioned Northfield wants a winner or 2 @ Northfield just do a $2 exacta box on the morning line favorites $12 x's 14
Wager $168 to win.........
Handicapping horses is fun. It is also far more complex than handicapping sports, which is why those who start with horses and then turn to sports often do very well.
In my opinion, and I have written (and published!) a great number of articles on horses and handicapping, the game cannot, long-term, be beaten in any traditional manner (including watching replay tapes, trip 'capping etc).
Would even a great poker player stand any chance if the host cut every pot by 20%? That's what you are up against in horse racing.
Illicit shenanigans go on at every track in the land. A small owner is not usually privy to the big moves. (Trainers regard owners as a necessary evil, just one step above the fans. I have heard them express great contempt for the folks who pay the bills. One had a list of "100 Excuses" to supply to the owner as to why his horse lost the race.)
The average fan thinks that all races are "fixed." He thinks that it's like pro wrestling, where A wins this race, B wins that one, etc.
Nothing of the kind. But jockeys do "pull" favorites on occasion, usually because they have a heavy investment in the exacta and/or trifecta or perfecta on the better odds horses. The late (and to me, unlamented) Bill Shoemaker did this frequently.
One rider in Northern California some 15 years ago openly boasted of this; not publicly but to his buddies in the jockey's room. He was later found dead underneath a bridge. (Ya had it comin', Ron)
Trainers do administer illicit drugs to their equine charges, to get a leg up, so to speak. I'm not just talking about the leaky roof circuit - brand name guys, top dog trainers, do it. Everybody's doin' it . . . Which is why lovers of the sport think that US racing should emulate Europe, and bar ALL race-day medications (Lasix is notorious for masking more potent drugs.)
Riders do use buzzers - known on the backstretch as joints or machines. Again, not just at Leaky Roof Downs. At the major plants in the land. When you only hear of some poor downtrodden quarter horse rider getting nailed for a joint, it's just hypocrisy. The batteries are buzzin' at every major track . . . No, not every race. But maybe a few a week.
Want to see something amusing? Get yourself on the Hollypark or Santa Anita backstretch during the AM works. You'll see discarded joints all over the place. Some horses - known as "machine horses" -just won't work in the morning without the jolt. Kind of like some humans with their caffeine . . .
This isn't sour grapes. I've been posting my picks in the racing forum since June, when I have the time and inclination to go thru the entries at a bunch of tracks. I'm comfortably ahead --- so far. (As anyone can attest by checking my posts on that board..)And will post again on Breeders' Cup Day, Nov 4. I use two systems of my own making, a distillation of many, many published handicapping and system articles.
It's a great game. Badly flawed. It always was, and likely always will be.
Can you win? Without being a crooked trainer privy to every dirty trick in the book?
Yeah, I think so. Well, maybe so. By intelligent reading of the tote board. The bandits can't hide the money (tho of course some do bet with books.) It takes great patience and quick movement near post time. I mean, fukkin work! And a ton of stress. But I've done it sucessfully a lot of times at the track - difficult to do online. And it works better at some tracks than others.
Some 20 years ago I wrote an article for a skin mag delineating in detail how to do this, to read the tote as a gypsy seer reads tea leaves. (If anyone by chance has the article, please don't note my name. It is a pseudonym, but one I've used in the scribble biz for years. Would like to keep it private,ie off all discussion boards.)
I don't think the OP hates the game. Jeremiads like that come usually from someone stuck on the game. He has the right to the critique. Likely he's paid his dues.
Me too. Not as enthusiastic about in when I used to sneak into Aqueduct as a kid, but still find it - ah - interesting. (Tho I'll be watching football on Nov 4, and will switch channels only to see the actual races, not all the bullshit hype in betweeen.)
In my opinion, and I have written (and published!) a great number of articles on horses and handicapping, the game cannot, long-term, be beaten in any traditional manner (including watching replay tapes, trip 'capping etc).
Would even a great poker player stand any chance if the host cut every pot by 20%? That's what you are up against in horse racing.
Illicit shenanigans go on at every track in the land. A small owner is not usually privy to the big moves. (Trainers regard owners as a necessary evil, just one step above the fans. I have heard them express great contempt for the folks who pay the bills. One had a list of "100 Excuses" to supply to the owner as to why his horse lost the race.)
The average fan thinks that all races are "fixed." He thinks that it's like pro wrestling, where A wins this race, B wins that one, etc.
Nothing of the kind. But jockeys do "pull" favorites on occasion, usually because they have a heavy investment in the exacta and/or trifecta or perfecta on the better odds horses. The late (and to me, unlamented) Bill Shoemaker did this frequently.
One rider in Northern California some 15 years ago openly boasted of this; not publicly but to his buddies in the jockey's room. He was later found dead underneath a bridge. (Ya had it comin', Ron)
Trainers do administer illicit drugs to their equine charges, to get a leg up, so to speak. I'm not just talking about the leaky roof circuit - brand name guys, top dog trainers, do it. Everybody's doin' it . . . Which is why lovers of the sport think that US racing should emulate Europe, and bar ALL race-day medications (Lasix is notorious for masking more potent drugs.)
Riders do use buzzers - known on the backstretch as joints or machines. Again, not just at Leaky Roof Downs. At the major plants in the land. When you only hear of some poor downtrodden quarter horse rider getting nailed for a joint, it's just hypocrisy. The batteries are buzzin' at every major track . . . No, not every race. But maybe a few a week.
Want to see something amusing? Get yourself on the Hollypark or Santa Anita backstretch during the AM works. You'll see discarded joints all over the place. Some horses - known as "machine horses" -just won't work in the morning without the jolt. Kind of like some humans with their caffeine . . .
This isn't sour grapes. I've been posting my picks in the racing forum since June, when I have the time and inclination to go thru the entries at a bunch of tracks. I'm comfortably ahead --- so far. (As anyone can attest by checking my posts on that board..)And will post again on Breeders' Cup Day, Nov 4. I use two systems of my own making, a distillation of many, many published handicapping and system articles.
It's a great game. Badly flawed. It always was, and likely always will be.
Can you win? Without being a crooked trainer privy to every dirty trick in the book?
Yeah, I think so. Well, maybe so. By intelligent reading of the tote board. The bandits can't hide the money (tho of course some do bet with books.) It takes great patience and quick movement near post time. I mean, fukkin work! And a ton of stress. But I've done it sucessfully a lot of times at the track - difficult to do online. And it works better at some tracks than others.
Some 20 years ago I wrote an article for a skin mag delineating in detail how to do this, to read the tote as a gypsy seer reads tea leaves. (If anyone by chance has the article, please don't note my name. It is a pseudonym, but one I've used in the scribble biz for years. Would like to keep it private,ie off all discussion boards.)
I don't think the OP hates the game. Jeremiads like that come usually from someone stuck on the game. He has the right to the critique. Likely he's paid his dues.
Me too. Not as enthusiastic about in when I used to sneak into Aqueduct as a kid, but still find it - ah - interesting. (Tho I'll be watching football on Nov 4, and will switch channels only to see the actual races, not all the bullshit hype in betweeen.)
