OT: The Dog Whisperer

Boxslayer · Nov 2, 2006

If you have a dog, this is a great show. I have this thing scheduled to TiVo whenever it comes on. National Georgraphic Channel, alot of episoes on Tuesdays.

Cesar Millan is an absolute badass with dogs. He trains Denise Richards dog, Oprah Winfrey, and Will Smith among others. He can take any sort of problem with a dog, whether it is a Pit Bull, Poodle, Boxer, Mini Doberman, Green Doberman, whatever, and fix this thing up psychologically to behave well, be happy, trained and balanced.

It all revolves around the wolf/canine approach of pack leader.

Whether the problem is a Pit Bull that seems to be scared of everything because something traumatizing happend to him as a puppy, or if the dog is a biter, or if the dog barks when the doorbell rings, or if the dog has a tennis ball obsession, or it doesnt listen, it all revolves around YOU.

The problem 99% of the time is the dog does not view you as a pack leader, and therefore can assume the role of pack leader himself, become nervous or scared that they dont have a good pack leader etc.

He ranks dog training elements in this order of importance:

Exercise
Discipline
Affection

Dogs dont want affection and love, They want good pack leaders. They want to know they can trust you. If they view you as a pack leader, and you are calm, assertive, and stick with your approach of calm discipline - they will jump through hoops for you.

Anyone follow this show, and have you tried any of this on your dog?

I have and it works beautifully.

Now, if only I could get this guy to do a show on coaxing more bitches into my bed. Human females, I mean.

GreenDoberman · Nov 2, 2006

Boxslayer,
The Green Doberman has been bred to be impossible to fix psychologically.
:103631605

SkinsRaj28 · Nov 2, 2006

I had never heard of this show till a few weeks ago when my roomate and his girlfriend were watching it and told me it was awesome...

they were right. That show is so fuckin cool. It's amazing what that guy does.

There's also nothing sexier than raping your roomate's girlfriend in front of his bleeding, half-conscious body while the sound of dogs barking is in the background.

Iceman · Nov 2, 2006

Very interesting. I will have to watch this next time it is on. I have 2 dogs, who are treated like queens.

So in a nutshell you are saying to be firm and tough with your voice but don't hit. This is kind of my approach. Let them know you are in charge?

Interested to hear more. Thanks.

Boxslayer · Nov 2, 2006

Iceman said:
Very interesting. I will have to watch this next time it is on. I have 2 dogs, who are treated like queens.

So in a nutshell you are saying to be firm and tough with your voice but don't hit. This is kind of my approach. Let them know you are in charge?

Interested to hear more. Thanks.

This is where it gets really good.

Dogs are VERY good at reading body language and energy. Your body is always portraying energy to the dog. Wen a woman holds the leash, she holds it very stiff, and defensive. The dog feels that energy and doesnt trust the pack leader because it senses weakness.

He barely uses any verbal commands at all, and definitely never hits. The most verbal commands he does sometimes is like a sharp "ssssssst". Almost like a "no", but he never says no.

He emphasizes the key to training dogs, is not training the dog, it is training the owners on how to act like pack leaders.

Calm and assertive is what he uses all of the time.

He emphasizes walking with good posture, very confident, calm yet assertive like you mean business.

That energy is very easy for them to pick up.

The key to everything he says...it all starts with how you walk your dog.

He gets them on their leash....he makes them sit before they enter/exit any doorways to enter/exit the house.

Then the pack leader (the human/owner), exits, then the dog follows, then he makes them sit again once they are outside so he can calmly shut the door.

Then he walks them on a very short leash. He says the key is to get your dog feeling like he is in the pack. You are the pack leader. Pack leaders never bark. Pack leaders dont smack the dogs in the pack. When pack leaders move, the pack moves in what he calls "traveling mode". No sniffing around unless told to do so. The dog shouldnt be making aggressive movements to other people, objects or dogs. The dog should be right there, a half step behind you on your side, waiting 100% attentive to your next move. When you stop the dog stops. Everything is controlled with a choker chain. Quick snaps/tugs for everything. Calm and assertive walking. If the dog looks somewhere else, quick snap on the chain to get his attention back to you and where you are going.

This is #1 exercise...and #2 discipline

Once they are fatigued from their exercise/walk, they are easier to mold their minds and the dog is submissive.

So much more to it, and its very interesting to watch him.

The best is when he deals with a dog that is very nervous. Whn he meets the dog for the first time, the dog is in a cage, and the guy walks in backwards with his back to the dog to not be threatening to it. Then backs up into the cage with it and gently puts the collar on, then is calm and assertive pack leader.

Boxslayer · Nov 2, 2006

Couple episodes:

1. Petrified Pit Bull - Pit Bulls problem was something traumatic happened to him in his life. He never wants to leave the house or be outside, or his ears are back and he is always watching his back.

I had no idea how he was going to fix this dog, but once again it came down to pack leader.

He said the dog is scared from something that happened to him. And the way to fix that is to show him he has good pack leaders that will protect him. Once again, he took the dog on a walk. Snapped his chain whenever he looked somewhere else. Walked calmly, good posture, and assertive. The dog by the end of the show trusted Cesar Millan, and wasnt as scared.

2. Boxer jumps on gate on the side of the house and barks like crazy when a human walks by

He made his hand into a mouth. He said pack leaders and dogs use their mouths to bite each other on the back of the neck or use their mouths as physical help. So, yes you can be physical with the dog in a pushing manner, not a hitting manner.

He put a dog on the other side of the fence and whenever the Boxer went to go nuts on the gate, Cesar pushed him with his hand like a dogs mouth and snapped the leash on him, until he learned to calm down.

Iceman · Nov 2, 2006

EXCELLENT. Thanks. Will go get the book book (Ceasars Way) tomorrow and keep you updated . Sounds very interesting as I have a 2 year old Brittany that is a little wild.

Boxslayer · Nov 2, 2006

Iceman said:
EXCELLENT. Thanks. Will go get the book book (Ceasars Way) tomorrow and keep you updated . Sounds very interesting as I have a 2 year old Brittany that is a little wild.

The book is supposively very good too. My mom has read it and is using it at her home on her dogs.

The show is really good, takes you through the history of the dog in the episode and what its problems are, Cesar makes the house call, and you see him in action from start to finish with some editing in the middle parts.

He also has a pack of like 20 dogs, all different breeds that he absolutely controls all with body language. They are on some episodes.

WharfRat+ · Nov 2, 2006

My wife loves this show. I downloaded the first 2 seasons for her. We've got a 1 year old Lab and a lot of Ceasar's tips have helped a bunch.

AlwaysKeen · Nov 2, 2006

have only seen this show a couple of times, it's pretty good...

Salain · Nov 2, 2006

SkinsRaj28 said:
There's also nothing sexier than raping your roomate's girlfriend in front of his bleeding, half-conscious body while the sound of dogs barking is in the background.

I thought that's where you might be headed.

Rawpimple · Nov 2, 2006

Boxslayer32 said:
If you have a dog, this is a great show. I have this thing scheduled to TiVo whenever it comes on. National Georgraphic Channel, alot of episoes on Tuesdays.

Cesar Millan is an absolute badass with dogs. He trains Denise Richards dog, Oprah Winfrey, and Will Smith among others. He can take any sort of problem with a dog, whether it is a Pit Bull, Poodle, Boxer, Mini Doberman, Green Doberman, whatever, and fix this thing up psychologically to behave well, be happy, trained and balanced.

It all revolves around the wolf/canine approach of pack leader.

Whether the problem is a Pit Bull that seems to be scared of everything because something traumatizing happend to him as a puppy, or if the dog is a biter, or if the dog barks when the doorbell rings, or if the dog has a tennis ball obsession, or it doesnt listen, it all revolves around YOU.

The problem 99% of the time is the dog does not view you as a pack leader, and therefore can assume the role of pack leader himself, become nervous or scared that they dont have a good pack leader etc.

He ranks dog training elements in this order of importance:

Exercise
Discipline
Affection

Dogs dont want affection and love, They want good pack leaders. They want to know they can trust you. If they view you as a pack leader, and you are calm, assertive, and stick with your approach of calm discipline - they will jump through hoops for you.

Anyone follow this show, and have you tried any of this on your dog?

I have and it works beautifully.

Now, if only I could get this guy to do a show on coaxing more bitches into my bed. Human females, I mean.

I used to question whether you were truly a homo or not but this confirms it, YOU ARE A HUGE HOMO.

bigbet1234 · Nov 2, 2006

Iceman · Nov 2, 2006

Rawpimple said:
I used to question whether you were truly a homo or not but this confirms it, YOU ARE A HUGE HOMO.

Yeah rip the guy because he cares about dogs. I hope you are kidding, if not you are a joke.

LogansRun · Nov 2, 2006

In all seriousness, I'm thinking of putting my 3 year dog down because of aggression. I adopted him when he was 1 1/2 from the Humane society and it was apparent that his previous owner did zero training with him and was intact until he was surrendered to the HS in Feb 05. We went thru basic obedience training summer 05 which basically taught him to sort of sit, stay, down and come. He is still a big time puller and I question whether he had enough to eat before I got him because all he does is scavenge whenever we're out on long walks. He is not food or toy possessive but he will not give up tennis balls unless he gets a very very attractive treat like peanut butter.

Long story short, he bit a guy this past spring and a dog walker who we see all the time at the dog park. The dog walker was actually testing his aggression after I told her about the bite to the guy. We saw a behaviorist and he recommended some things but I really didn't think his proposals were realistic. We tried them but you can't gauge that sort of thing via written test. Then in August, he went after a woman's feet after his ball rolled away from him and she shuffle kicked it back to him from about 3 feet away. I myself tested him for this on my porch after this incident and it was not a one time behavior. I think he must have been kicked at one time or another.

Two nights ago he bit my finger hard and literally without warning. I was lying on the sofa and he was on the floor beside me. I touched him on the bridge of the nose with my fingertips and he snapped.

What if a child had touched him and he did that? I could never live with myself if he seriously injured someone.

I could return him to the Humane society as you sign a contract promising to do so but they already have rows of pens filled with red flag dogs. I could re-home him but that is foisting the problem onto someone else. I could spend oodles more cash with other behaviorists but there is no guarantee he wouldn't bite someone else.

I love my dog more than anything and this is one of the hardest things I've ever grappled with.

LogansRun · Nov 2, 2006

Lest anyone thinks I giving up on my dog, in most small communities in the North, they have monthly dog shoots. They have a radio announcement as to the date and if you want your dog alive, keep them inside on the shooting date. That's the cruel reality in northern Canada.

GuinnessGal · Nov 2, 2006

What a great thread! I have 4 dogs (2 from the pet store and 2 I rescued off the street) here in Costa Rica and I can tell you I'm definitely not the pack leader. The smallest dog of the 4 - my ball obsessed minpin is the alpha dog. I wish this show was on here. I will have to buy the book. :103631605

What's the guy say about house breaking? My little alpha dog lifts his leg on the wall, couch, fridge etc. I had him and the other 2 boy dogs neutered but that didn't stop him. My friend that works for a vet told me that you have to catch the dog in the act in order to punish him. Well, my dogs figured that out, and now I NEVER see them doing it I just see the end result.

GG

GuinnessGal · Nov 2, 2006

LogansRun said:
Lest anyone thinks I giving up on my dog, in most small communities in the North, they have monthly dog shoots. They have a radio announcement as to the date and if you want your dog alive, keep them inside on the shooting date. That's the cruel reality in northern Canada.

That's horrible. Why?

Here in Costa Rica, there are more or less 1 million stray dogs. It's really depressing.

hawkeye171 · Nov 2, 2006

It's a great show. And to be trueful, I could easily live with just my dog, a golden retriever.

LogansRun · Nov 2, 2006

GG, the strays (and the local dogs) form packs and then they occasionally attack people especially children.

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