Postmorten on the Breeders' Cup - Spearing a Pair of Fakes

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First, Andy Beyer, who somehow has snagged a rep as one of the great gurus of modern horse handicapping. The books he grinds out - like that of the other fake, Steve Crist - seem to sell. Which proves only that PT Barnum seriously underestimated the birth rate of suckers.

His "numbers," which many horse players think of as gold, are grossly overrated. If you rely on them you will lose. A better bet is to copper them, go against them. At least then you'll have a chance. (The European Timeform ratings, I'm told by those who like numbers, are much superior to the "Beyers.")

Beyer's first book was how he made "$50000 a Year" betting the horses. It turns out that he was smart enough to detect, years ago, a pronounced rail speed bias at a Maryland track to accomplish that feat. And also smart enough not to quit his day job. (Racing columnist for the Wash Post)

Andy had one winner in the BC races: the 7-5 Ouija Board, the lowest price winner all day. Of his three deep picks only Invasor (picked 2nd) won. But a 'capper must be judged mainly by the horse he puts on top.

In the stands at any major track in the land are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people who can handicap as well or better than the Beyers, and the rest of the brethren in the scribble fraternity.

Another imposter is Daily Racing Form publisher Steve Crist. He had zero winners off his top picks in the eight races; he had Ouija Board (of course) second, Invasor second, and Round Pond third.

Sure, there were a lot of longshots coming home on top. But these gurus are supposed to find one now and then.

When it comes to the Ky Derby Crist has become a kind of industry inside joke. This guy couldn't pick a Derby winner,or place or show, if the horse came up and shit money into his hat. A few years back he contemptuously dismissed the chances of Smarty Jones. And followed up by dissing him in the Preakness, which Smarty also won.

Steve used that old favorite, nepotism, to get his first racing job, columnist for the NY Times. (Know any horseplayers who buy the NY Times for the handicap?) His mother, coincidentally, was the longtime and well-known movie critic for the Times. ("Hey, mom, can you get me a job at the paper?")

Crist has also protected the Form's print monopoly, charging players far too much for what they want, past performances. Not to read a bunch of long-winded columnists (who write stuff mainly of interest only to industry folk) and opinion-mongers.

For a few years the Sports Eye people in Long Island put out an exact duplicate of the Form - anyone can buy pps, from Equibase. But as he had no columnists he was able to charge only $3.00 for his Form, which I think was called Racing Advance. It had a wide circulation in the Northeast and in Vegas. (Where of course one can usually get, in the books, a Form gratis or at reduced price.)

Sports Eye also publlished a few mostly useless sports handicpping papers, like College and Pro Football Newsweekly. Well, Steve decided he didn't want the competition for the Form, and early this year paid the owner an undisclosed but likely huge sum. And Racing Advance was closed down. (Tho the sports tout sheets are still being published.)

If anyone out there has experience publishing a paper, and in distributing it, and can ride a loss for a year or two, buy the PPs from Equibase, put out a cheap PP paper in competition with the Form, and eventually Steve will approach with mega-millions to buy you out. Easy money.
 

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Want to hear something funny Sd???? I was a Asst. editor at sports eye for 3 years in the mid 90's. Boy i could tell you some stories about how they work...

I agree 100% with you on the Beyer comments. It's amazing how many cappers use that as their main angle
 

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vermonthorseplayer said:
Want to hear something funny Sd???? I was a Asst. editor at sports eye for 3 years in the mid 90's. Boy i could tell you some stories about how they work...

I agree 100% with you on the Beyer comments. It's amazing how many cappers use that as their main angle

Interesting. Jack Levin, wasn't it, the owner of Sports Eye? I should remember, I was for a short time a few decades ago one of the West Coast correspondents (and occasional feature writer) for Racing Action, which I think was already gone by the mid 90s.

The tout newspapers, as I noted, are still there. A guy named, i think, Nicola, is the editor. I really didn't know any of them, I was a long way away. They had a prolific writer - and now big tout bullshitter - named Kelso Sturgeon who filled their pages every week. A guy named after a horse and a fish . . .
 

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Yes, Jack owned it...Do you remember Clyde Hirt?

As for Sturgeon, I used to deal with him as he would call in weekly. He was a dick..Even a bigger dick was that tout scumbag Mike Warren (I think that was his name)who rented a office right behind where i sat.Used to hear him yelling in there all day

I have not read the paper in years but the name you mentioned has really stirred my interest. Is the editor's name Vic Di Nicola??? If so i know him very well as we started the exact same day as Asst editors with sportseye. right before i left he moved over to the football papers (which are in the same office). He is a good guy, funny as hell too. I am curious to see if that is him. Maybe i will call over there tomorrow to see..
 

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Yes, Jack owned it...Do you remember Clyde Hirt?
I have not read the paper in years but the name you mentioned has really stirred my interest. Is the editor's name Vic Di Nicola??? If so i know him very well as we started the exact same day as Asst editors with sportseye. right before i left he moved over to the football papers (which are in the same office). He is a good guy, funny as hell too. I am curious to see if that is him. Maybe i will call over there tomorrow to see..

Yeah, Vic DiNicola, that's it. I happened to see a copy of College and Pro Football Newsweekly the other day at a newstand and as is my habit checked the masthead. Yeah, DiNicola. They're stilll out there in Port Washington.

The name Hirt is familiar, but I can't recall him specifically. I forgot with whom I actually dealt. It wasn't a big paying thing, but it also wasn't much work, sort of throwoffs of what I was doing anyway.

I did like Racing Advance, as I prefer not to give money to the Racing Form monopoly if I can help it. (Tho the online pps you can buy are a real strain to read online - along with maps one of the things still better in print form) Another thing I liked about Levin's pp paper was, NO BEYERS! The DRF has a monopoly on the Beyers - they can have 'em!
 
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You can't slam these guys for not being able to pick winners in the big races; it's whether you make money on a day to day basis that counts. Besides, you can't really give good picks until almost post time when you know about track condition, scratches, current odds, etc. Beyer's speed figures are a very valuable handicapping tool, no different than the Timeform ratings. When I see a Timeform number I simply subtract twelve and treat it as a Beyer figure.
 

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You can't slam these guys for not being able to pick winners in the big races; it's whether you make money on a day to day basis that counts. Besides, you can't really give good picks until almost post time when you know about track condition, scratches, current odds, etc. Beyer's speed figures are a very valuable handicapping tool, no different than the Timeform ratings. When I see a Timeform number I simply subtract twelve and treat it as a Beyer figure.

Hey, DH, ya know what they say: differnce of opinion, that's what makes a horse race!
 

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Sammy, see the thread in horse board for reply.
 

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Beyer #s are an inferior product and a joke.
Beyer's books may have provided an edge at one time because there wasn't much else out there.
Now there are far superior products/#s out there
I was thrilled the day they started putting Beyer #s in the Racing Form for everyone to see and use. Let the public have them.
 

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I used the Beyers. And I subtracted 14 points from the timeform ratings. Bet mainly 15-1 to 20-1 shots and did quite nicely. Thanks, Andy Beyer.
 

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horse racing is like throwing darts most of the time, you can eliminate certain horses, but half the time who the hell knows what horse has what pumped into him and what jockeys are fucking around..
 

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