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They are alot of ways to beat gambling and I am not saying there is 1 sure way but take yesterday as a prime example of what I am talking about.

A year ago I would have lost that bet (or maybe pushed instead I middled it, like I am sure most other people who follow this stuff do). Most people that follow the "market" probably noticied earlier in the week that when you have a home favorite around a key number on MNF that it almost always goes over that key number in the middle of gameday or so. Samething happened with Indy game (a featured TV game) on SNF.

Now because I was reading this forum, guys like Fishhead who know this stuff up and down talked about the number bouncing back so it was smart to get at least 10.5 right then because waiting for an 11 or 12 isn't worth losing the 10.5. Than when the game hits 10 at a book like Skybook, on the bounce back, you can move number to 9.5 and bingo.

So many examples of totals yesterday in NBA and CBB where I won by a point or so and it is all about placing the bet with the steam and beating the closing line (which seems to win alot more than not in hoops for me) or something else I have focused on is what I call beating the "true" opening line( not the 1 that comes out earliest but the 1 after the public bets it for awhile and then it settles in) and getting value.

I have been studying this stuff for awhile and know I have a LONG way to go and will miss on some line movements but something I have noticied is when the number flattens out or gets to far from the opener than generally it is a good bet. It is "overbet" to much by the pubic an creates value. Though I didn't have it, the total on last nites game is a GREAT example. The number settled around 46 in the middle of last week and continued to drift down and finally bottomed out around 41.5 yesterday. Seeing an NFL total move 5 points or so (w/out an injury) and betting the number at it's apex has to be a wininng method.

Just don't think we talk about "timing" the market enough on here. It can really be profitbale for someone who has a feel for it. You have to know a few tricks and really follow the sport you are betting (hitting openers can be big also on this but also risky) and almost think like the public, but if you can get numbers at their apex on the majority of your plays than both sides are the right side mre times than not and you should win.
 

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Cincy is at -3 vs Ravens for the prime time Thursday game.

Will you apply this observation of yours on this game?
 

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They are alot of ways to beat gambling and I am not saying there is 1 sure way but take yesterday as a prime example of what I am talking about.

A year ago I would have lost that bet (or maybe pushed instead I middled it, like I am sure most other people who follow this stuff do). Most people that follow the "market" probably noticied earlier in the week that when you have a home favorite around a key number on MNF that it almost always goes over that key number in the middle of gameday or so. Samething happened with Indy game (a featured TV game) on SNF.

Now because I was reading this forum, guys like Fishhead who know this stuff up and down talked about the number bouncing back so it was smart to get at least 10.5 right then because waiting for an 11 or 12 isn't worth losing the 10.5. Than when the game hits 10 at a book like Skybook, on the bounce back, you can move number to 9.5 and bingo.

So many examples of totals yesterday in NBA and CBB where I won by a point or so and it is all about placing the bet with the steam and beating the closing line (which seems to win alot more than not in hoops for me) or something else I have focused on is what I call beating the "true" opening line( not the 1 that comes out earliest but the 1 after the public bets it for awhile and then it settles in) and getting value.

I have been studying this stuff for awhile and know I have a LONG way to go and will miss on some line movements but something I have noticied is when the number flattens out or gets to far from the opener than generally it is a good bet. It is "overbet" to much by the pubic an creates value. Though I didn't have it, the total on last nites game is a GREAT example. The number settled around 46 in the middle of last week and continued to drift down and finally bottomed out around 41.5 yesterday. Seeing an NFL total move 5 points or so (w/out an injury) and betting the number at it's apex has to be a wininng method.

Just don't think we talk about "timing" the market enough on here. It can really be profitbale for someone who has a feel for it. You have to know a few tricks and really follow the sport you are betting (hitting openers can be big also on this but also risky) and almost think like the public, but if you can get numbers at their apex on the majority of your plays than both sides are the right side mre times than not and you should win.
Well said!
 

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Cincy is at -3 vs Ravens for the prime time Thursday game.

Will you apply this observation of yours on this game?

Honestly I bet it at -2.5 when it came out at Pinny openers but yes sure. You have to think like the public and I cannot see this game dropping below 3 so betting a -3 and waiting for 3.5 should happen. But remember the books don't like to come off the 3.
 

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great points Ice...you are growing before our eyes it seems...I'm happy for you as you seem to be about as passionate as anyone to learn this.
 

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As with all investments timing is the key, along with having a number or price youre willing or happy to pay. In my opinion, if you get the price or line that youre happy with then it shouldnt worry you too much where the line ends up, and you shouldnt let it worry. You cant always get the best line every time, but as long as you get the line that youve 'capped the game at and are happy to receive, then you should be happy with your play. Unless you have a strong feel for which way the line will move, more often than not you will miss your line if you hesitate while wanting/waiting for a better number.

My advice would be to hit the game at the line youre happy with and then not worry about any line moves after that, as you have the line you recognised as value and have initiated your play/trade. After that, its in the lap of the Gods.
 

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The only site I wager at is matchbook. Right now matchbook has Ravens +3 at a +106 vig.

With the Vig being +106, that tells me that if anything the line will drop to +2.5. Am I missing something here?

It would seem that if someone where wanting to lock in sure wins prior to the game, that you would (on an exchange) bet the line with the - vigs. because that is the direction it is moving, hence the - vig.

Am I missing something here?
 

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boatboatboat said:
The only site I wager at is matchbook. Right now matchbook has Ravens +3 at a +106 vig.

With the Vig being +106, that tells me that if anything the line will drop to +2.5. Am I missing something here?

It would seem that if someone where wanting to lock in sure wins prior to the game, that you would (on an exchange) bet the line with the - vigs. because that is the direction it is moving, hence the - vig.

Am I missing something here?

Your missing very little.........

Welcome to TheRX
 

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thank you for the welcome.

lol

I found this place yesterday after doing a www search for matchbook.

Have spent a min of 6 hours since then just reading threads/comments.

Wow, ton of serious players here. I hope to learn a lot, and am sure I will if I continue to read.
 

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boatboatboat said:
thank you for the welcome.

lol

I found this place yesterday after doing a www search for matchbook.

Have spent a min of 6 hours since then just reading threads/comments.

Wow, ton of serious players here. I hope to learn a lot, and am sure I will if I continue to read.



You just walked into a GOLDMINE my friend.
 

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Anyone who did not have -9.5 and +10.5 last night should just give up. Both were available for hours. The line move was clear and slow. Reduced juice was available.

It is hard to lose.

Sean
 

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sean1 said:
Anyone who did not have -9.5 and +10.5 last night should just give up. Both were available for hours. The line move was clear and slow. Reduced juice was available.

It is hard to lose.

Sean


Yup........or even -9 and +11 with reduced vig.
 

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boatboatboat said:
lol

I must be the ONLY person in the world who did NOT make $ last night.

I had GB on the ML at +485, and via matchbook live betting, I had BOTH sides of the 10pt live betting line covered for a LOCKED 103 dollar win. Zero risked, and 103 locked as long as the hawks didn't win by EGG-ZACT-LEE 10 pts.

now gawd dammit, that ain't right.......


Been there and done that a few times in my career............still a good play though.

Keep grinding!

-FH-

ps- Be sure to check out the various sports forums here at TheRX...........the NFL forum is rocking this year with tons of winners/scalps/middles/betting tips.
 

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I am looking for the thread where someone picks NCAABB games and wins at a 80%+ rate.

please advise.....

;)
 

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How often does this happen? Doesn't the vig cause you to lose more often than you win?
 

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boatboatboat said:
I am looking for the thread where someone picks NCAABB games and wins at a 80%+ rate.

please advise.....

;)


SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE over any extended period of time.

A GREAT HALL OF FAME type handicapper will hit 55-60% lifetime.......no more when dealing with wagers against a FOOTBALL/BASKETBALL pointspread.

Anybody claiming more than 60% lifetime over 2000 games played is 99.39% for sure lying.
 

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well damn.....

ok, I will look for the person hitting at a 60% clip.

;)

LOL, I am having so much fun betting football, and making a few pennies, that I don't want it to end. But the season is winding down, and I don't know squat about BB so I had hopes I could just read a thread or two, and follow them and pick up a few 1000 every day or so.

This may be harder then I thought........

;)
 

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boatboatboat said:
well damn.....

ok, I will look for the person hitting at a 60% clip.

;)

LOL, I am having so much fun betting football, and making a few pennies, that I don't want it to end. But the season is winding down, and I don't know squat about BB so I had hopes I could just read a thread or two, and follow them and pick up a few 1000 every day or so.

This may be harder then I thought........

;)

SPORTSBETTING is not a get rich quick scheme.......PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS.
 

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