Just got a very disturbing EMAIL (need legal advice) Concerning online gambling!!!!

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I just got the following letter from Doyles. They tell me that they are targeting LOUISIANA!!!!! What do you make of this?


Dear Player,

Due to legislation in the state of Louisiana targeting online gaming, we are no longer able to accept players from your state. We must therefore regretfully inform you that effective immediately we can no longer accept deposits to your account. You may continue to play your balance until November 30th at which time all real money game play will also be suspended. You will be able to withdraw your funds any time before or after November 30th.

Please note that the Doyle Brunson Poker Network is committed to continuing service within the United States. However, recent legal opinion received has prompted DBPN to at this time withdraw from certain states.

Withdrawals may be requested by logging into the poker client and issuing a withdrawal request in the cashier. After November 30th, you will no longer be able to play for real money on our site. If you wish to play for fun, that option will still be available to you using the same Screen Name and Password.

If you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact our accounting department.
 
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Sounds like a specific Louisiana law similar to Washington's (state).

They want to keep the action in the local casinos.
 

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can someone who knows about this so-called louisiana law explain this to me?

This must have passed totally under the radar. I did not know nothing of it until this email. I keep pretty good tabs on local politics. Dont know how I missed this.
 
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CHOPTALK said:
can someone who knows about this so-called louisiana law explain this to me?

This must have passed totally under the radar. I did not know nothing of it until this email. I keep pretty good tabs on local politics. Dont know how I missed this.
you cant gamble online anymore legally.
 

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you cant gamble online anymore legally.

Whats the punishment, A slap on the wrist, or prison time?
 

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Here is the law. It was signed into law in 1997:


§ 14:90.3. Gambling by computer


A. The Legislature of Louisiana, desiring to protect individual rights, while at the same time affording opportunity for the fullest development of the individual and promoting the health, safety, education, and welfare of the people, including the children of this state who are our most precious and valuable resource, finds that the state has a compelling interest in protecting its citizens and children from certain activities and influences which can result in irreparable harm. The legislature has expressed its intent to develop a controlled well-regulated gaming industry. The legislature is also charged with the responsibility of protecting and assisting its citizens who suffer from compulsive or problem gaming behavior which can result from the increased availability of legalized gaming activities. The legislature recognizes the development of the Internet and the information super highway allowing communication and exchange of information from all parts of the world and freely encourages this exchange of information and ideas. The legislature recognizes and encourages the beneficial effects computers, computer programming, and use of the Internet resources have had on the children of the state of Louisiana by expanding their educational horizons. The legislature further recognizes that it has an obligation and responsibility to protect its citizens, and in particular its youngest citizens, from the pervasive nature of gambling which can occur via the Internet and the use of computers connected to the Internet. Gambling has long been recognized as a crime in the state of Louisiana and despite the enactment of many legalized gaming activities remains a crime. Gambling which occurs via the Internet embodies the very activity that the legislature seeks to prevent. The legislature further recognizes that the state's constitution and that of the United States are declarations of rights which the drafters intended to withstand time and address the wrongs and injustices which arise in future years. The legislature hereby finds and declares that it has balanced its interest in protecting the citizens of this state with the protection afforded by the First Amendment, and the mandates of Article XII, Section 6 of the Constitution of Louisiana and that this Section is a product thereof.

B. Gambling by computer is the intentional conducting, or directly assisting in the conducting as a business of any game, contest, lottery, or contrivance whereby a person risks the loss of anything of value in order to realize a profit when accessing the Internet, World Wide Web, or any part thereof by way of any computer, computer system, computer network, computer software, or any server.

C. For purposes of this Section the following definitions apply:

(1) "Client" means anyone using a computer to access a computer server.

(2) "Computer" includes an electronic, magnetic, optical, or other high-speed data processing device or system performing logical, arithmetic, and storage functions, and includes any property, data storage facility, or communications facility directly related to or operating in conjunction with such device or system. "Computer" shall not include an automated typewriter or typesetter, a machine designed solely for word processing, or a portable hand-held calculator, nor shall "computer" include any other device which might contain components similar to those in computers but in which the components have the sole function of controlling the device for the single purpose for which the device is intended.

(3) "Computer network" means a set of related, remotely connected devices and communication facilities including at least one computer system with capability to transmit data through communication facilities.

(4) "Computer services" means providing access to or service or data from a computer, a computer system, or a computer network.

(5) "Computer software" means a set of computer programs, procedures, and associated documentation concerned with operation of a computer system.

(6) "Computer system" means a set of functionally related, connected or unconnected, computer equipment, devices, or computer software.

(7) "Home Page" means the index or location for each computer site on the World Wide Web.

(8) "Internet" means the global information system that is logically linked together by a globally unique address space based on the Internet Protocol or its subsequent extensions, is able to support communications using the Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol suite or its subsequent extensions, and other Internet Protocol compatible protocols, and provides, uses or makes accessible, either publicly or privately, high level services layered on the communications and related infrastructure described herein.

(9) "Server" means a computer that listens for and services a client.

(10) "World Wide Web" means a server providing connections to mega lists of information on the Internet; it is made up of millions of individual web sites linked together.

D. Whoever commits the crime of gambling by computer shall be fined not more than five hundred dollars, or imprisoned for not more than six months, or both.

E. Whoever designs, develops, manages, supervises, maintains, provides, or produces any computer services, computer system, computer network, computer software, or any server providing a Home Page, Web Site, or any other product accessing the Internet, World Wide Web, or any part thereof offering to any client for the primary purpose of the conducting as a business of any game, contest, lottery, or contrivance whereby a person risks the loss of anything of value in order to realize a profit shall be fined not more than twenty thousand dollars, or imprisoned with or without hard labor, for not more than five years, or both.

F. The conducting or assisting in the conducting of gaming activities or operations upon a riverboat, at the official gaming establishment, by operating an electronic video draw poker device, by a charitable gaming licensee, or at a pari-mutuel wagering facility or the operation of a state lottery which is licensed for operation and regulated under the provisions of Chapter 4 of Title 4, Chapters 4, 5, and 6 of Title 27, or Part V-A of Chapter 14 of Title 33 or Subtitle XI of Title 47 of the Louisiana Revised Statutes of 1950, shall not be considered gambling by computer for the purposes of this Section, so long as the wagering is done on the premises of the licensed establishment.

G. The conducting or assisting in the conducting of pari-mutuel wagering at licensed racing facilities under the provisions of Chapter 4 of Title 4 of the Louisiana Revised Statutes of 1950, shall not be considered gambling by computer for the purposes of this Section so long as the wagering is done on the premises of the licensed establishment.

H. Nothing in this Section shall prohibit, limit, or otherwise restrict the purchase, sale, exchange, or other transaction related to stocks, bonds, futures, options, commodities, or other similar instruments or transactions occurring on a stock or commodities exchange, brokerage house, or similar entity.

I. The providing of Internet or other on-line access, transmission, routing, storage, or other communication related services, or Web Site design, development, storage, maintenance, billing, advertising, hypertext linking, transaction processing, or other site related services, by telephone companies, Internet Service Providers, software developers, licensors, or other such parties providing such services to customers in the normal course of their business, shall not be considered gambling by computer even though the activities of such customers using such services to conduct a prohibited game, contest, lottery, or contrivance may constitute gambling by computer for the purposes of this Section. The provisions of this Subsection shall not exempt from criminal prosecution any telephone company, Internet Service Provider, software developer, licensor, or other such party if its primary purpose in providing such service is to conduct gambling as a business.
 

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Thanks guys.

A 10 year old law. To my knowledge, no one has ever been convicted of this in LOUISIANA. I wonder what took Doyle 10 years to quit taking money from our state if the law was passed that long ago.
 

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It actually depends on the interpretation of the following provision:

B. Gambling by computer is the intentional conducting, or directly assisting in the conducting as a business of any game, contest, lottery, or contrivance whereby a person risks the loss of anything of value in order to realize a profit when accessing the Internet, World Wide Web, or any part thereof by way of any computer, computer system, computer network, computer software, or any server.


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On its face, the law seems to only prohibit a bookmaker's activity, not someone who simply places a bet. This is probably why no one was ever charged under this law.

Perhaps your book decided to take the conservative approach and cut off all LA customers.
 

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Where is the ACLU when you fvcking need them..(probably out there looking for some nativity scene that is not inclusive of homosexuals and muslims so they can sue!!!)

This issue is blatantly unconstitutional. I dont see how any one lets the government regulate what is immoral and choose and decide where and how we can practice activities they deem immoral. If gambling is legal in the state of LA, then it is unconstitutional for the government to step in and say these are the only kinds of gambling that are "morally acceptable" by extension of this very same kind of gambling by use of any other technological devices is illegal.

That shit makes no sense and i cant understand why in the world no one has taken up this case already.
 

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foreignlegion said:
Where is the ACLU when you fvcking need them..(probably out there looking for some nativity scene that is not inclusive of homosexuals and muslims so they can sue!!!)

This issue is blatantly unconstitutional. I dont see how any one lets the government regulate what is immoral and choose and decide where and how we can practice activities they deem immoral. If gambling is legal in the state of LA, then it is unconstitutional for the government to step in and say these are the only kinds of gambling that are "morally acceptable" by extension of this very same kind of gambling by use of any other technological devices is illegal.

That shit makes no sense and i cant understand why in the world no one has taken up this case already.

Outside of influencing lawmakers to change the law, no one can challenge it in the courts unless charged with a crime under it.
 

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CHOPTALK said:
Thanks guys.

A 10 year old law. To my knowledge, no one has ever been convicted of this in LOUISIANA. I wonder what took Doyle 10 years to quit taking money from our state if the law was passed that long ago.



They indicted Peter Dicks of the UK, (forget the company) under this law. They could not get him shipped from NY to prosecute. They have 50 warrants out for people over seas. Its the result of a bogus sting opertaion they ran. They are claiming server jurisdiction over the world among other things.
 

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It has been around forever.

Bottom line is that it was never enforced until they went after Peter Dicks and got rebuffed.

I highly doubt LA which is broke is interested in jailing 100s of 1000s of gamblers.

Some books have taken the view that the new Fed law makes gambling 100% legal if the state does not outlaw it. This is the route sportsbook took and I guess Doyle is taking. The only route Doyle will likely be taking if he keeps taking bets is a one way route to jail.

Bottom line, LA is not coming after individual gamblers.

Sean
 

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There has been someone prosecuted under this law...but i dont think it went to trial...

the Dicks thing was they busted a bookie around by Chops area (lafayette/Houma).this guy was laying off his bets at sportingbet and others..the law they say would give them the right to confiscate any funds this bookie had..well since the money is in these offshore sportsbooks they ( the communist state of Louisiana, with murderers for both govenor and a senator) have issued sealed indictments against the owners of these sportsbooks...their plan is to bust them in the U.S. and then hold them hostage untill the books give up the cash..

HOWEVER....sportsbetting is the ONLY gambling this law covers that i am aware of...ALL other forms of casino gambling is by definition in Louisiana not GAMBLING but GAMING....Gambling in any form but horse racing is illegal under the constitution of Louisiana....BUT being the bright Democrats that they are they declared GAMING legal..SOLD the rights to the casinos via bid bribes ( accepting these bribes is why former democratic govenor Edwin W. Edwards is still rotting in the jail cell he deserves). So everything else is now Gaming and therefore cannot be prosecuted under this 'Gambling by Computer" law...sportsbetting is not gaming in Louisiana and therefore you could technically be prosecuted for it.......with the max being $500 or 6 months and its a misdemenor who gives a shit......the judge in NY wouldnt send Dicks to Louisiana because he wasnt holding a Foreign Buisnessman on misdemenor charges...it would be no different than sending him here for a traffic violation...

Louisianas murdering Govenor and Senator will both be voted out in a landslide in the next election now that their 1 million ghost voters are gone from Old Orleans
 

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kidslick said:
fishhead why don't you just say blame 9/11:ohno::ohno:
for this

better yet just blame G. bush for this
exactly...I read Louisiana puts more people in jail then any other state and the jails are overcrowded with people who did very minor things... pathetic
 

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Dante said:
exactly...I read Louisiana puts more people in jail then any other state and the jails are overcrowded with people who did very minor things... pathetic

Pathetic...yeah right...how dare they put criminals in jail?
 

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