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Just reposting this here since more people view this forum.

Ok I have a situation that I'd like to get some opinions on. I place bets for several friends through an online site. On Sunday at 12:00 pm I receive a text message from "Bob" asking the spreads on a few games, including the Eagles game. I text him back the spreads, at that point the Eagles were -2. Around 12:50 pm the Eagles spread moves to -2.5 and a few minutes later a bunch of people start calling and texting in their bets. Bob finally texts me back around 12:55 wanting to bet $x on the Eagles and $x on the Giants. With all the unexpected added volume right before gametime I just barely manage to get all the bets in from everyone, and then go out for a while. It's not until a few hours later I realize that Bob still assumes the spread is -2, when it moved to -2.5 before he placed the bet. Of course the Eagles win 21-19 and now I have a problem. Even though I've helped Bob out in the past, he feels he shouldn't have to pay for the losing wager. Bob knows I wouldn't scam him by changing the spread after the game ended, especially since two mutual friends can confirm that the line was -2.5 since they also bet the Eagles literally two minutes before Bob texts me his bet. Also, I'm 100% sure if I somehow could have texted Bob back that the Eagles were now -2.5 while frantically putting in all the bets at the last minute that he wouldn't even blink to make the same bet. The part I don't get is that if I figured out what happened and texted Bob it was 2.5 anytime before the score reaches 21-19, he would be perfectly fine with it. I think we will make some sort of compromise but I'd just like to get more opinions on what everyone thinks should be done.
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They have a phone, tell them to get their own accounts & get yourself out of this lose\lose situation. Send him a screenshot of the plays and say "See ya".

You have absolutely nothing to gain out of this mess the way that it is right now.
 

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text messages??? your fu-king kidding me right???

all you clowns deserve the problems associated with "TEXT MESSAGING" your bets in...

if your texting in the line moves and you FU-CK up and forget...you should pay simple as that...if you were my book you would be paying...
 

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You should NOT being doing that under that scenario (late game day with multiple bettors) because of, among other things, what happened can easily happen. It is asking for big trouble not to mention the hassle. Money does funny things to people even friends. Not smart and stop doing it under those conditions.

As far as what to do it is a tough question. It depends on how much money it was? How well you know Bob? And a lot more. I would not allow myself to get into that situation but if I did I am not sure I would pay. If you explain exactly what happened to him and tell him that he wouldn't take the bet at 2.5? Come on. That mistake can happen and Bob needs to chill out and understand.
 

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this guy sounds like small time rinky dink high school bookie (almost like sending out and collecting football cards where they all have to be in by a certain time)...only problem to me is he isnt just taking a bet or 2 from his friend jack and bob....he's trying to run a small time thing with multiple bettors...the problem is he got fu-ked on this game and looking for people to "back him up"....SORRY it doesnt work like that pal...

pay the guy what you owe and either A) drop the bettors..or B) run a more efficient service...i used to run with a local and he used to give me the line updates...and i used to confirm the wager and lines over the phones...never once did he say "oh well that line moved to 2.5 from 2 after you bet the game"....like i said if you were my book friend or no friend youd be paying....

let me ask you this question...what if your "friend" was asking the line for someone he was hanging out with who wanted to bet Philly -2 (as i have a friend who is from philly and has asked me several times what the lines mean)...and its his friend betting the game...how you tell THAT kid now oh it went from PUSH (no bet) to oh...shit the book fu-oked up now you owe me 110...
 

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1. did you give him the line change?
2. what line was the bet "confirmed" at?
3. takes longer to text than to make an actual call
4. he pushes and you lose.
5. learn to give out changes when taking bets, if you choose not to make a line change deal with your choices.
 

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Yeah, this was the first problem I've had with anyone all season... but before this sunday everything had gone smoothly. Before this week I've only had a pool of maybe 5 bettors tops... but all of a sudden got an influx of 2-3 people right before gametime. Bob has been betting with me for a few weeks and paid me with no problem a couple weeks ago. Bob is usually my biggest bettor but the Eagles bet I'm glad was fairly smallish. I don't really owe him anything since at -2 it would be a push and he still owes me before sunday. I'm sure we'll figure out some kind of fair deal because he's a decent guy, was just looking for opinions on the standard move here.
 

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then consider the leason a cheap one, if it had been for a dime you would have seen just how good of a friend "bob" was.
 

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obviously they did not lose a bet that they were told was not -2....
 

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Something isn't right. What are you gaining by doing this? Either you are taking peoples action to show off or make friends or you are taking their action and maybe changing the line a bit in your favor to win. Think about it. If you are sincere and doing it to be a good friend someone is bound to stiff you.
 

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dude i respect trying to make some by setting up shop on your own etc esp if your in that high school/college age but you have to do it over the phone...texting is jsut fu-king retarded...

you said this week you had an "influx of 2-3 people right before gametime"....THAT right there should send you a message that maybe these guys are trying to play games with your lines and forcing you to pay up when they lay the wood to you on your bad lines...

so smarten the fu-k up and open up the pinny page and give them the pinny lines over the phone...make them repeat the bets and wager size etc...and if your heavy on 1 side...get a local (which i presume you have) and lay it off...even if you have to let the phones ring 1minute before kickoff...
 

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dude i respect trying to make some by setting up shop on your own etc esp if your in that high school/college age but you have to do it over the phone...texting is jsut fu-king retarded...

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I'm lost here, I was under the impression that this guy was just a bettor himself who was placing bets for his friends, he isn't a bookie... is he? If he is the bookie, then he shouldnt be placing bets online, he would be keeping the action.
 

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Text them the lines and then they call in thier bets even if it's a voice mail.

You also say with the flux of text your getting you got flustered and blah blah blah,and then you say I've only had a pool of maybe 5 bettors tops........ WTF


Pay the guy it's better for business

BTW where do I sign up, no offense but I would like the chance to take you to school.


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The guy didnt ask for opinions on his system, he simply wanted to know what he should do. Sure the system might be bad, but based on the situation, I would give him the benefit of the doubt and say its a push. Next time make sure to give him the correct spread before kickoff.
 
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Something isn't right. What are you gaining by doing this? Either you are taking peoples action to show off or make friends or you are taking their action and maybe changing the line a bit in your favor to win. Think about it. If you are sincere and doing it to be a good friend someone is bound to stiff you.



Naw, I ended up doing the same thing. Had a few friends who occasionally like to take a shot at something, so they'd just call me. Never anything serious, and no one ever worried about getting their $$$.

It turns into a pain the ass, but it can be tough to turn down doing a simple favor for a friend(at least until it gets messy like this).
 

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HuskerFan1 said:
dude i respect trying to make some by setting up shop on your own etc esp if your in that high school/college age but you have to do it over the phone...texting is jsut fu-king retarded...



you said this week you had an "influx of 2-3 people right before gametime"....THAT right there should send you a message that maybe these guys are trying to play games with your lines and forcing you to pay up when they lay the wood to you on your bad lines...



so smarten the fu-k up and open up the pinny page and give them the pinny lines over the phone...make them repeat the bets and wager size etc...and if your heavy on 1 side...get a local (which i presume you have) and lay it off...even if you have to let the phones ring 1minute before kickoff...


there are several reasons why i text instead of over the phone:
1) In case someone forgets they called to place a bet with a text message I have evidence (not that this has happened yet)
2) I don't have to make out what game, side, wager size they want to bet... with a text I can just read it and its clear.
3) It's just a lot easier for me to organize and record all bets from text messages than over-the-phone.


Also, taking bets for five people is no problem.... but when 2-3people try to get bets in right before gametime it can be flustering.

Also I don't think the 2-3 influx of people would be capable of something like that... and if I didn't get their bets in on time I would just tell them and that'd be the end of it. This situation is completely independent of the one with Bob.

Like I said me and Bob will work something out I'm sure and I'll most likely take a miniscule loss if any. Even if I had to eat the entire loss (which I don't think I will) I'm still doing ok for the season.
 

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ya i reread his orginal post..and he claims to be betting thru an online site for his friends...it seems like an awful lot of work just to be doing his friends "a favor"...

to me it seems maybe his bettors are looking to take a shot at him...he says "my friend bob has been betting with me for a few weeks and paid me no with no problems"...so its tough to say what his true motives/intentions are here...
maybe he's booking...maybe he's not...

fwiw, i dont think it worth the hassel "just to be a friend and put bets in for friends etc, the way he came across"....its tough enough putting your own plays in come sunday at 12:45...nevermind having 3-6people calling in when your not in on some part of the action.....NO???
 

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TTinCO said it perfectly "It turns into a pain the ass, but it can be tough to turn down doing a simple favor for a friend(at least until it gets messy like this)."


this kid then says..."there are several reasons why i text instead of over the phone:
1) In case someone forgets they called to place a bet with a text message I have evidence (not that this has happened yet)
2) I don't have to make out what game, side, wager size they want to bet... with a text I can just read it and its clear.
3) It's just a lot easier for me to organize and record all bets from text messages than over-the-phone."
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Lastly he says " Even if I had to eat the entire loss (which I don't think I will) I'm still doing ok for the season."

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all this WORK JUST for his friends....to be a "NICE GUY"...and not be in on some part of the action...i dont buy it for a second...he's going thru all this work just to put in more bets for more "friends" thru say wsex... it doesnt add up....
 

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dont get me wrong im just as nice as the next guy and if ONE of my friends wants to bet the pats game in the playoffs ill glad tell him the line and put in the action (id probably book it LOL)...but once you get a handful of guys calling in 5-15minutes before the games kick off...it starts to get a little fishy...when your just doing them FAVORS....
 

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HuskerFan1 said:
TTinCO said it perfectly "It turns into a pain the ass, but it can be tough to turn down doing a simple favor for a friend(at least until it gets messy like this)."


this kid then says..."there are several reasons why i text instead of over the phone:
1) In case someone forgets they called to place a bet with a text message I have evidence (not that this has happened yet)
2) I don't have to make out what game, side, wager size they want to bet... with a text I can just read it and its clear.
3) It's just a lot easier for me to organize and record all bets from text messages than over-the-phone."
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Lastly he says " Even if I had to eat the entire loss (which I don't think I will) I'm still doing ok for the season."

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all this WORK JUST for his friends....to be a "NICE GUY"...and not be in on some part of the action...i dont buy it for a second...he's going thru all this work just to put in more bets for more "friends" thru say wsex... it doesnt add up....

I never said I was a "nice guy"... the majority of the time I place the bet in through the online site and make no money from it but once in a while if I strongly disagree with the bet then I book it myself.
 

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