Has Plasma Tvs improved there burnout rate?

CHOPTALK · Dec 18, 2006

Im torn. I really like the space saving ability of a plasma TV, but I am not going to spend 3000 to 15000 on a tv that does not last practically forever.

I like the designs of the LCDs, but they dont make them as big as the plasmas.

Any and all info regarding HDTVs would be welcome.

Thinking of getting one of these here.
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1682509,00.asp

Please talk me out of it. Saw a display of this thing at a show a few weeks ago, and it blew my mind.

It cost way more than something I should be buying, but the picture is almost life like. It beats all I have ever seen. Its like looking at things in real life. The price is outragous!!! I can by a brand new car for the price of this thing, but its so damm awesome, that I may just pull the trigger.

TTinCO · Dec 18, 2006

Wait a year. LCD prices will crash & their size will increase. Plasma's will soon be history.

CHOPTALK · Dec 18, 2006

TTinCO said:
Wait a year. LCD prices will crash & their size will increase. Plasma's will soon be history.

I like LCDs, the only problem I have is the size.

How come I cant get a LCD as big as a Plasma?

hosnatcher · Dec 18, 2006

I went with the 50 inch Vizio Plasma TV just last month myself. I waited a whole year for the price to drop to $1499. The way I figure I only lose my plasma to watch sports and DVD movies so I didn't want to invest too much money. Besides in 2 years some other TV with great technology will come out and be the must have.

Go with an inexpensive plasma and get your feet wet.

TTinCO · Dec 18, 2006

CHOPTALK said:
How come I cant get a LCD as big as a Plasma?

Newer technology

gbogo · Dec 18, 2006

lcd if you watch movies is not as good

blacks are deeper in plasmas

right now lcd sweet spot is up to 40 and plasmas is 50 and above

the plasma mkt is being consoldated with more r/d going into LCD and they will keep increasing screen sizes.

plasmas main problem is if you dont fill the screen when your using it over time various areas will wear faster and as a result be less bright.

personal choice but id buy a panasonic 42 commercial for 1025 and wait for lcd innovations to move forward

CHOPTALK · Dec 18, 2006

Thanks for the info guys. Keep it comming.

All I know is I want that 1080I. Dont know what that is but I want it, as my girlfriend says.:lolBIG:

gbogo · Dec 18, 2006

look at visual apex online they are the cheapest and offer alot of warranties usually included

vizio is reported to have quite a few problems best to buy from costco so you can return more easily

pioneer/panasonic are the best plasma brands

720p/1080i is enough

1080p is more for computers in that you can tell the difference

PO69 · Dec 18, 2006

I wouldnt worry too much about the bunout rate. Anyone who will spend over $1000 on a TV wontbe using that same TV after 7 years anyway. Most likely, they will purchase another one within 4 or 5 years

CHOPTALK · Dec 18, 2006

gbogo said:
look at visual apex online they are the cheapest and offer alot of warranties usually included

vizio is reported to have quite a few problems best to buy from costco so you can return more easily

pioneer/panasonic are the best plasma brands

720p/1080i is enough

1080p is more for computers in that you can tell the difference

Whats better 1080I or 720P?

I heard different people say different things?

I know 1080P is the king, but as you say, the only way you can take advantage of that is with a DVD-HD player or Blueray player, or a video game system like the XBOX or PS3. I hear that it will be at least 10 years before any broadcast station will air with 1080P.

ESPN uses 720P and CBS uses 1080I, which is better.

cofan · Dec 18, 2006

CHOPTALK said:
Whats better 1080I or 720P?

I heard different people say different things?

I know 1080P is the king, but as you say, the only way you can take advantage of that is with a DVD-HD player or Blueray player, or a video game system like the XBOX or PS3. I hear that it will be at least 10 years before any broadcast station will air with 1080P.

ESPN uses 720P and CBS uses 1080I, which is better.

What is your budget? How big do you want to go? Do you watch alot of DVDs and HD content or will it mostly be SD shows?

All HDTVs now will display both 1080I and 720p. Generally, 720p is marginally better than 1080i when it comes to fast moving things like sports. LCDs and plasmas aren't 720p, but rather "768p" but won't really notice a difference.

Plasma technology is right there along with LCD. If you watch in a brightly lit room, the glass panel plasmas will reflect a bunch of ambient light so that many annoy you.

You can also get a LCD up to 52" and I think Samsung even has a 56" one. In terms of who makes the best LCDs, it is usually Sony, Samsung, and Sharp. The order flip flop depending on size, model and cost.

Hands down, the best looking TV on the market right now is the Pioneer's plasma PRO-FHD1. If you want the best looking TV on the market right now, that would be it.

jeckll · Dec 18, 2006

Plasma manufacturers have all but eliminated the "burn out" problems that plagued their sets in the past. Unless you leave the same image on your set for DAYS and WEEKS at at a time, burn out is not an issue with plasmas anymore.

Right now, if you want a big screen (>40") Plasma is the way to go. LCD's price point just cannot compare and the image quality, black depth, etc is simply far better on a Plasma.

As for "which is better," 720p or 1080i, you have to understand what each one means. The number--720 or 1080--refers to the number of horizontal lines that make up the image on your TV screen. 720p uses an image made up of 720 lines of "resolution," 1080i makes an image of 1080 lines. Therefore 1080 is going to be more detailed, but the difference is in the p versus the i.

P means progressive. Each of the lines is updated, or changed, with every frame. This makes the image smoother and action more cohesive. With 720p there are only 720 lines of resolution but each line is updated with every frame.

I means interlaced. This means that only half the lines are updated with every frame, the other half being upated every other frame. Therefore 540 lines are updated every time the frame changes. This is the case with 1080i.

As for which is BETTER, you can't really answer that question. 720p will provide a better picture for action, SPORTS, etcetera, as the action will appear more continuous. However 1080i gives a better picture overall, with greater detail, etcetera. Until stations begin broadcasting in 1080p, there is no real answer.

As for which set to get, check HTTP://WWW.AVSFORUMS.COM this is by far the best forum online for HD/video/audio related info, if you want a TV, look here first for info and discussions. Personally I would recommend Plasma assuming you want more than 40"!

jeckll · Dec 18, 2006

Best advice, go to a BEST BUY, HI FI BUYS(Crutchfield), etc, and compare LCD versus Plasma as well as 720p versus 1080i. You can read pages and pages on which is better, but who cares what anyone else thinks if you prefer LCD over plasma or 720p over 1080i?

Before you drop $3000 on a set, go pick which one has the picture that YOU like best.

1cheater · Dec 18, 2006

playersonly69 said:
I wouldnt worry too much about the bunout rate. Anyone who will spend over $1000 on a TV wontbe using that same TV after 7 years anyway. Most likely, they will purchase another one within 4 or 5 years

Very good post and very true Players ...
Although the burnout rate is a very overblown myth! "Burnout rate" if you ran your TV 24/7 your TV would last 7 years:realtongu Nowwa days you'd be happy if your TV lastes that long. After that, you still have a perfectly fine picture, just not as good...

cofan · Dec 18, 2006

Even if you manage to "burn" in a picture onto your plasma, leave it on for about a day (probably only hours) with a pure white image and it'll go away. Some plasmas even have a white-wash feature that do this for you.

wannabewhale · Dec 18, 2006

Sorry to get into your thread Chop---but I am looking for the answer to this question--if you had $2500 to spend on a TV which one would you purchase--I am getting one before the end of the year.
Thanks

CHOPTALK · Dec 18, 2006

cofan said:
What is your budget? How big do you want to go? Do you watch alot of DVDs and HD content or will it mostly be SD shows?

All HDTVs now will display both 1080I and 720p. Generally, 720p is marginally better than 1080i when it comes to fast moving things like sports. LCDs and plasmas aren't 720p, but rather "768p" but won't really notice a difference.

Plasma technology is right there along with LCD. If you watch in a brightly lit room, the glass panel plasmas will reflect a bunch of ambient light so that many annoy you.

You can also get a LCD up to 52" and I think Samsung even has a 56" one. In terms of who makes the best LCDs, it is usually Sony, Samsung, and Sharp. The order flip flop depending on size, model and cost.

Hands down, the best looking TV on the market right now is the Pioneer's plasma PRO-FHD1. If you want the best looking TV on the market right now, that would be it.

So if im primary a sports guy, I guess you would suggest that I get a 720P?

I guess this is why ESPN chose 720P over 1080I.

Thanks for the info.

CHOPTALK · Dec 18, 2006

cklennon said:
Plasma manufacturers have all but eliminated the "burn out" problems that plagued their sets in the past. Unless you leave the same image on your set for DAYS and WEEKS at at a time, burn out is not an issue with plasmas anymore.

Right now, if you want a big screen (>40") Plasma is the way to go. LCD's price point just cannot compare and the image quality, black depth, etc is simply far better on a Plasma.

As for "which is better," 720p or 1080i, you have to understand what each one means. The number--720 or 1080--refers to the number of horizontal lines that make up the image on your TV screen. 720p uses an image made up of 720 lines of "resolution," 1080i makes an image of 1080 lines. Therefore 1080 is going to be more detailed, but the difference is in the p versus the i.

P means progressive. Each of the lines is updated, or changed, with every frame. This makes the image smoother and action more cohesive. With 720p there are only 720 lines of resolution but each line is updated with every frame.

I means interlaced. This means that only half the lines are updated with every frame, the other half being upated every other frame. Therefore 540 lines are updated every time the frame changes. This is the case with 1080i.

As for which is BETTER, you can't really answer that question. 720p will provide a better picture for action, SPORTS, etcetera, as the action will appear more continuous. However 1080i gives a better picture overall, with greater detail, etcetera. Until stations begin broadcasting in 1080p, there is no real answer.

As for which set to get, check HTTP://WWW.AVSFORUMS.COM this is by far the best forum online for HD/video/audio related info, if you want a TV, look here first for info and discussions. Personally I would recommend Plasma assuming you want more than 40"!

Thanks for the forum link, I will be reading that for hours.

cofan · Dec 18, 2006

wannabe whale said:
Sorry to get into your thread Chop---but I am looking for the answer to this question--if you had $2500 to spend on a TV which one would you purchase--I am getting one before the end of the year.
Thanks

Personally, I'd go with the Sony KDS-60A2000. I think it is $2200 at amazon.com right now so you could spend the other $300 on a stand. It is not a LCD or plasma but this would be what I would choose to spend my money on. Bigger picture, 1080p native display, 1080p inputs so you can watch HD-DVD or Blu-ray movies if you're into that. This is a beautiful set.