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I have always thought it a joke that many conisder Manning a choker. It is insane. THey have played a better team when they have lost and their defense is not great. Now he is on the verge but laughably playing poorly...0 TD's 5 INT (I think that is correct orclose)but because they have won he is spared. Manning is one of the greatest ever QB's regardless. To suggest he is a choker is a joke in my opinion.

Marty had a young team and went 14-2. Another guy like Manning that is considered a choker. His teams play hard and tough...just open your eyes. Young teams need to learn how to win. Somehow he is getting the blaqme and mentioned to be fired as his team lost to the Pats though they clearly outplayed my boys. Players just turned the ball over and made bad plays at the wrong time. It is not Marty's fault. This guy is clearly better than most coached as their are some bad coaches out there.

Oh yeah, Billick gets and extension and here is a guy that sucks. His offenive game planning every year is horrid THey were not prepated against the COlts and are vanilla all the time. WHy when behnd do you run out the clock in the first half?? This guy should be fired id anyone because it happens every year. Noone talks about this guy getting fired when they cannot score or gameplan on offense??
 

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Tom Brady#1 said:
Manning is one of the greatest ever QB's regardless.

One of the best ever? Based on what?

Nine years in the league and hasn't even been to (let alone win) a Super Bowl.

He has probably the most expensive WR tandem in the country.

Can't even his his conference while in college - and the year after he leaves, Tee Martin wins the National Championship.

I agree that he isn't a choker, but he is not even in the Top 10 of QB's - and I hope people are not simply looking at the stats to say he is so great, because regular season stats are as useless as pre-season stats come playoff time.

If the game were played on paper, he would be the BEST ever ... but like someone said - the games aren't played on paper, they are played inside a TV.
 

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cincy_ said:
One of the best ever? Based on what?

Nine years in the league and hasn't even been to (let alone win) a Super Bowl.

He has probably the most expensive WR tandem in the country.

Can't even his his conference while in college - and the year after he leaves, Tee Martin wins the National Championship.

I agree that he isn't a choker, but he is not even in the Top 10 of QB's - and I hope people are not simply looking at the stats to say he is so great, because regular season stats are as useless as pre-season stats come playoff time.

If the game were played on paper, he would be the BEST ever ... but like someone said - the games aren't played on paper, they are played inside a TV.


Played on paper? Regular season stats meaningless? Are you ok? Regular season is where most of the games are played. As far as the post season I addressed that above. Tee Martin? Manning stats are unreal, his team wins without great defense and carrying this team a long long way to AFC title games is nothing to be ashamed of. IF they lose to the Pats again,I will not condemn the man. They still have accomplished a lot. Give them a great defense and Manning would not lose many at all.
 

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Manning will retire as one of the greatest QBs to play. Once he wins a ring he will be thought of much differently. This could be his year as not one team seems to be dominating.
 

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Tom Brady#1 said:
Played on paper? Regular season stats meaningless? Are you ok? Regular season is where most of the games are played. As far as the post season I addressed that above. Tee Martin? Manning stats are unreal, his team wins without great defense and carrying this team a long long way to AFC title games is nothing to be ashamed of. IF they lose to the Pats again,I will not condemn the man. They still have accomplished a lot. Give them a great defense and Manning would not lose many at all.

You said he IS ... not "will be" like WVU said ... one of the best ever. One in how many? 5? 3?

Right now, he IS a QB that hasn't been to a Super Bowl in 9 years, and didn't win a conference championship in college in 4 years.

He blamed his OFFENSIVE LINE last year, didn't he? Is it defense now?

If the Pats had Manning in 2001 or 2003 ... they would NOT have made the Super Bowl. The reason being, the Pats would have had to cut 3-4 starters to afford him.

He has two receivers and himself making 25% of the salary cap .. so that might be why he has no defense and he has great numbers.

Give Manning receivers like Reche Caldwell and Jabbar Gafney, and then we'll talk numbers.
 

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Cincy the problem with these guys is they get buried by fantasy football numbers.
Comparing manning to Brady is so laughable its pathetic.
Brady has accomplished so much more with so much less its night and day.
Can you imagine if manning had to lose his best reciver at the begining of the year then lose his replacment in the middle of the year and then have the guy they picked up off the street be in one of the top recivers in the playoffs?
Manning would be doing his Opie pout all year and the media would be pouting with him.
 

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Pat Patriot said:
Cincy the problem with these guys is they get buried by fantasy football numbers.
Comparing manning to Brady is so laughable its pathetic.
Brady has accomplished so much more with so much less its night and day.
Can you imagine if manning had to lose his best reciver at the begining of the year then lose his replacment in the middle of the year and then have the guy they picked up off the street be in one of the top recivers in the playoffs?
Manning would be doing his Opie pout all year and the media would be pouting with him.

I will beg to differ that Manning had more to work with. Sounds like you are getting sucked in too. Brady has a championship defense, a HOF kicker, and a HOF coach on his side. Manning doesn't have those, so as fast as he was scoring, his defense was giving them up. Just look at Fouts and Marino for other examples. BTW I'm pulling hard for Brady this weekend.
 

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FairWarning said:
Brady has a championship defense, a HOF kicker, and a HOF coach on his side.

New England wouldn't have the same defense if they had to pay Peyton Manning's $8 million extra per year and had to pay his receivers another $15 million per year.

They pay THREE players close to 25% of their salary cap - and THAT is why Peyton has the numbers he has - but also the reason they don't have a defense.

EVERY team has the same salary cap. What they lose in defense, they gain in offense so the excuses will simply be ... just that ... excuses.

... and the geniuses thought they should pay $4 million to a kicker who can't even kick-off into the end-zone ... but again they will complain about special teams hurting Peyton Manning.
 

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FairWarning said:
Manning doesn't have those, so as fast as he was scoring, his defense was giving them up. Just look at Fouts and Marino for other examples. BTW I'm pulling hard for Brady this weekend.

Peyton Manning's team scored 3 points in Foxboro in the playoffs. I don't care how good the defense is - a team cant justify scoring 3 points. Against the Jets in the playoffs, they scored ZERO points once.

So let's not blame it on the defense. Their playoff games have NOT been lost because of their defense. How many games have the Colts lost in high-scoring shootouts? NONE. This year, if their defense had been JUST AVERAGE against Baltimore, they would have lost that game.

Last year, against Pittsburgh, with 1st down on the 26 yard line on the final drive, Peyton showed why he will be THE BEST pre-season quaterback of all time.
 

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cincy_ said:
Peyton Manning's team scored 3 points in Foxboro in the playoffs. I don't care how good the defense is - a team cant justify scoring 3 points. Against the Jets in the playoffs, they scored ZERO points once.

So let's not blame it on the defense. Their playoff games have NOT been lost because of their defense. How many games have the Colts lost in high-scoring shootouts? NONE. This year, if their defense had been JUST AVERAGE against Baltimore, they would have lost that game.

Last year, against Pittsburgh, with 1st down on the 26 yard line on the final drive, Peyton showed why he will be THE BEST pre-season quaterback of all time.

Bring up good points but I think we all know what happens when dome teams play in the cold in playoff games. Thats not just Manning. When they get down, teams just pound that running game on their defense. Speaking of the Baltimore game, how many times has their defense played like that?
 

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FairWarning said:
Bring up good points but I think we all know what happens when dome teams play in the cold in playoff games. Thats not just Manning. When they get down, teams just pound that running game on their defense. Speaking of the Baltimore game, how many times has their defense played like that?

Pats had the better teams and better defense and better coaching and were at home.

Just think about Marty logically...what he and the team did this year and how they lost and where they came from. Not saying he did not make a mistake or two but overall he did a great job and firing should not even be a consideration. Not close.
 

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Tom Brady#1 said:
Pats had the better teams and better defense and better coaching and were at home.

Just think about Marty logically...what he and the team did this year and how they lost and where they came from. Not saying he did not make a mistake or two but overall he did a great job and firing should not even be a consideration. Not close.

Not really sold on Dungy as a big game coach. A win tomorrow could go a long way towards changing that. Insane if you ask me to take Dungy and lay points vs Belichek, just like doing it with Schottenheimer.
 

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Pat Patriot said:
Cincy the problem with these guys is they get buried by fantasy football numbers.
Comparing manning to Brady is so laughable its pathetic.
Brady has accomplished so much more with so much less its night and day.
Can you imagine if manning had to lose his best reciver at the begining of the year then lose his replacment in the middle of the year and then have the guy they picked up off the street be in one of the top recivers in the playoffs?
Manning would be doing his Opie pout all year and the media would be pouting with him.[/quo

Patriots had better teams in the past. Colts have a better team this year. So when Colts win tomorrow and win the Super Bowl will that put Peyton on the same pedestal as Brady? They're both great QBs. To say you can't compare Brady to Manning is what is laughable. When there careers are over, which is quite a while down the road, they will both be hall of famers. Elway lost 3 Super Bowls before he won one. He finally had a complete team around him. Same with Manning. Brady was lucky he had great team around him.
 

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cy1981 said:
Patriots had better teams in the past. Colts have a better team this year. So when Colts win tomorrow and win the Super Bowl will that put Peyton on the same pedestal as Brady? They're both great QBs. To say you can't compare Brady to Manning is what is laughable. When there careers are over, which is quite a while down the road, they will both be hall of famers. Elway lost 3 Super Bowls before he won one. He finally had a complete team around him. Same with Manning. Brady was lucky he had great team around him.

Indy and Peyton have not scored points against anyone except Denver in the playoffs ... and this is in his whole career.

The days of blaming the defense and attributing losses to better "defenses" should be over.

Think back to how Brady carried his defense against Carolina in 2004 when 75% of the secondary got injured and wasn't playing.

Indy might win today ... but if they do, it will NOT be because of Manning. The running game and the defense will have to carry the Colts cause the passing game never will do it for them in THE PLAYOFFS.
 

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Brady/Manning is the 2000's version of the tired Montana/Marino argument of the 1980's.
 

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