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Came across this today in a blog from one of my former lecturer's:

I was in a virtual world last night, and one of the other players came back early from lunch (it was on an American server). He and his girlfriend had gone to a restaurant for a meal, but had been told their table was needed for a larger group so they'd had to leave without being served. This seemed a little strange to me, but hey, different countries have different ways of doing things.

Then, one of the other players asked, "Are you black?". I thought this was a bizarre question, but it turned out I was wrong. The reply was, "No, but my girlfriend is".

The story unfolded. He and his girlfriend had been to the restaurant before, but never together. When they went together, that's when they encountered the problem. The management had not wanted a mixed-race couple in their restaurant, so moved them on.

Jaw-droppingly, denying people service on the grounds of race is apparently not illegal in the USA. You can, it seems, deny people service on any grounds you want. That's ... incredible. If it were a subsidised restaurant such as a soup kitchen, OK, I could live with that; if there were security reasons, yes, that would also be acceptable (it's reasonable that I can't demand entry to a factory's canteen if I don't work there ). For a public restaurant, though, the entire business of which is all about feeding people, no way should this kind of discrimination be allowed. So long as they can meet the cost of a meal, what does it matter? You eject people for what they do, not for what they are.

Meanwhile in the UK, they're talking about revoking a TV station's license because some loud mouthed essex-girl was possibly (not in the opinion of the victim apparantly) being racist on a reality TV show.
 

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Santo, alot of people "can" do whatever they want to do, including something ridiculous like this story.

However, those people can and eventually probably will find their asses in court and their bank account missing some money when courts are finished with them.

The only place I was ever refused service because of my nationality was in Montreal, Quebec.
 

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DAWOOFDADDY said:
The only place I was ever refused service because of my nationality was in Montreal, Quebec.

The Toads in Montreal can be brutal :lol:

What happen?
 

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"Jaw-droppingly, denying people service on the grounds of race is apparently not illegal in the USA."

I think Denny's would tell you this isn't correct. $54 million of incorrect, in their case.
 

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Of course it is legal.

If a couple of hobos walk in to an upscale restaurant flashing fist-fulls of singles looking to have a meal, is the owner obligated to meet their request?I don't think so.

If I own a house and want to rent it, do I have to rent to the first person with the means to pay the rent? I don't think so.

A business has the right and duty to refuse service whenever they see fit.
 

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"If I own a house and want to rent it, do I have to rent to the first person with the means to pay the rent? I don't think so."

If you base that decision on race, then yes I believe that actually is illegal.
 

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I think Presto must be joking. I've lived in Oregon, and as backwards as it is in parts of the state, it ain't THAT backwards.
 

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Santo said:
Meanwhile in the UK, they're talking about revoking a TV station's license because some loud mouthed essex-girl was possibly (not in the opinion of the victim apparantly) being racist on a reality TV show.

Didn't that have something to do with some woman who was being openly racists towards Indians?

Whore. We already have small penises, no need to pile on.
 

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Nope, don't think he's joking, at least about the restaurant part. A restaurant can refuse service to anyone at any time, just the same way I can tell you you can't come into my house because I don't like your nose, or the shoes you're wearing, or your hair color.

They could get sued for a host of other things, but a private enterprise not involved in hiring employees, selling/renting housing and a few other things can discriminate pretty much to their heart's content.
 

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There isnt any proof that the reason they were denied the table is because of race.

Can you really play the race card any time you want in America still?

Besides this has to be fabricated. What white man would date a black girl.
 

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Presto said:
If I own a house and want to rent it, do I have to rent to the first person with the means to pay the rent? I don't think so.

A business has the right and duty to refuse service whenever they see fit.

And what "right" is that?

This businesses refusing service whenever they feel like it is one of the largest myths in this society.

Santo, part of the Dennys case a group of feds (some of the group I believe were black) were refused service at some Dennys.
 

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CapNCash said:
What white man would date a black girl.
David Bowie (not saying he's a man's man but you get the idea)
Gabriel Aubry see below

halle_berry.jpg


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I think Denny's would tell you this isn't correct. $54 million of incorrect, in their case.

Or Cracker Barrel since they have been in some hot water as well.


Woof youre correct, they were Secret Service members that was refused service by Denny's.
 

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cklennon said:
A restaurant can refuse service to anyone at any time, just the same way I can tell you you can't come into my house because I don't like your nose, or the shoes you're wearing, or your hair color.

They could get sued for a host of other things, but a private enterprise not involved in hiring employees, selling/renting housing and a few other things can discriminate pretty much to their heart's content.
They can refuse service for reasonable cause, but not based on racial discrimination.

As above, remember the Denny's case? That cost them millions and millions of dollars. Even the US DoJ got involved in that case. There've been quite a few cases like that over the years. And it doesn't have to be a nation-wide chain, either. There was some small breakfast place in Florida somewhere that closed down during Black Biker Week so they wouldn't have to serve blacks and they got sued, too.

Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 states that: "All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin." A "place of public accomodation" includes:<cite class="FootnoteText"></cite>
<cite class="FNEXT1_S"> (1) any inn, hotel, motel, or other establishment which provides lodging to transient guests, other than an establishment located within a building which contains not more than five rooms for rent or hire and which is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as his residence;</cite>​
<cite class="FNEXT1_M"> (2) any restaurant, cafeteria, lunchroom, lunch counter, soda fountain, or other facility principally engaged in selling food for consumption on the premises, including, but not limited to, any such facility located on the premises of any retail establishment; or any gasoline station;</cite>​
<cite class="FNEXT1_M"> (3) any motion picture house, theater, concert hall, sports arena, stadium or other place of exhibition or entertainment; and</cite>​
<cite class="FNEXT1_E"> (4) any establishment (A)(i) which is physically located within the premises of any establishment otherwise covered by this subsection, or (ii) within the premises of which is physically located any such covered establishment, and (B) which holds itself out as serving patrons of such covered establishment.
</cite>​
<cite class="FNEXT1_E"></cite>That's at <cite class="FootnoteText">42 U.S.C. § 2000(a).
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</cite>Additionally, most states have their own consumer anti-discrimination laws - some of which are stronger and and more easlily enforced than federal laws.


Go Bears! :suomi:
 

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SportSavant said:
id like to hear this story also? :ughhh:

I went to a bar and was given one drink. There were 5 people in the bar and 2 bartenders. It was about 7pm.

After finishing the first drink, I asked for another one and wasnt given another drink...was ignored after that for 30 minutes or so and I eventually left.

Nothing was said but having lived in upstate ny for 3 years and having been to Montreal before, I got the hint and spent my money elsewhere.

The rumors about that area are not merely rumors...those fucks dont take kindly to American wasps....tough luck for them for plenty of the women dont seem to mind.

SS, maybe different for you there, but I came across a few places that if a person didnt speak French, they may as well not enter the place.

:aktion033
 

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Ugh my images isnt working. But Gabriel Aubry dates Halle Berry a nice looking black woman.
 

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DAWOOFDADDY said:
I went to a bar and was given one drink. There were 5 people in the bar and 2 bartenders. It was about 7pm.

After finishing the first drink, I asked for another one and wasnt given another drink...was ignored after that for 30 minutes or so and I eventually left.

Nothing was said but having lived in upstate ny for 3 years and having been to Montreal before, I got the hint and spent my money elsewhere.

The rumors about that area are not merely rumors...those fucks dont take kindly to American wasps....tough luck for them for plenty of the women dont seem to mind.

SS, maybe different for you there, but I came across a few places that if a person didnt speak French, they may as well not enter the place.

:aktion033

thank you for the story, I am fluent in french so its not a problem for me, but am suprised by your story all the same.
 

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Absolutely disgusting that Denny's had to pay a dime. The woman should be fined for frivolous lawsuit. Even if some snobby judge felt Denny's decision was wrong, which it isn't, how can you justify millions in damage? Why not something like $10k, at most?

I didn't realize the Civil Rights Act of 1964 allowed for this kind of shit, it's definitely not consistent with the Constitution. I really hope the ACLU fought this one, but i doubt they did.
 

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