Open Discussion: Will Bank Wires And Cashier's Checks Become Unusable?

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In the past week, as we have searched the offshore sites for funding methods, we have seen the quick disappearance of the e-wallets, even though most were based outside the U.S..

Which leads to the question, will the use of bank wires and cashier's checks to fund accounts also become obsolete? I know there are strong opinions on this forum, but before answering consider this. In the old days, there was no active law in place that required all financial institutions to disallow transfer of funds to offshore accounts. The Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act Of 2006 holds the financial institutions accountable as making an unlawful act if they transfer funds.

Before, you could transfer funds via bank wire which would travel through various other banks before arriving at it's destination. You could also easily have a cashier's check made out to a business front without hesitation. However, now as the Federal Regulations are still being developed for the financial institutions to follow that are within the U.S., I can easily see a list being provided to the financial institutions by the government and constantly updated to watch for certain banks as well as names to be placed on cashier's checks. It doesn't take much as anyone can pose as a possible customer of an offshore book and get the necessary information needed for bank wires and cashier's checks.

Perhaps, some of you aren't aware of this, but one of the primary reasons Pinnacle closed it's doors to U.S. citizens, was because they were having too much difficulty dealing with the U.S. banks. What happens once all the U.S. banks begin to come around and comply with the new law?
 

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Fed-ex cash and we will have to pay to insure it I guess.
 

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How does walking down to your bank and requesting a cashiers check, for which you just handed over cash, constitute "financial institutions to allowing transfer of funds to offshore accounts"<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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There is NO connection, and in fact, Fed Ex is the one making the delivery to wherever you are directed to have the package sent, so the bank is totally out of the picture at that point, even Money Orders are exempt from this...<o:p></o:p>
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Its just like the good ole days, and books who are quick and ingenious with new methods will come around in the not to distant future..<o:p></o:p>
 

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Very unlikely that bank wires and checks will go bye bye - they may fill out more suspicious activity reports.

I found it very interesting Saturday. Was up in Windsor. Manager at Royal Bank of Canada just off the Ambassador bridge said he usually opens 1-3 US citizen accounts each week. Last week he said he must have done over 100. CIBC near the bridge has a really really hot receptionist.. Address is 6800 something...

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OMT Sorry but you have been around for awhile. And I have always valued your opinion as like many others have, so I would really like to hear thoughts and opinions what is ahead on this situation. Thanks and its good to see you posting again.
 

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OMT Sorry but you have been around for awhile. And I have always valued your opinion as like many others have, so I would really like to hear thoughts and opinions what is ahead on this situation. Thanks and its good to see you posting again.

stef:

If you are asking my opinion on bank wires and cashier's checks, I believe they will disappear as a method to fund and I also believe more and more books will drop out of the U.S. market as Pinnacle did and the one's that remain will be marginal and not very secure.
 

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oldmanTED said:
stef:

If you are asking my opinion on bank wires and cashier's checks, I believe they will disappear as a method to fund and I also believe more and more books will drop out of the U.S. market as Pinnacle did and the one's that remain will be marginal and not very secure.
that would be terrible
 

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I agree that we will probally be losing some more books to the US market. But I also think we will still have some reliable books sticking around and working thru another mess that our government created. Guess that is alot of wishful thinking. Hey I am only 2 hours car time from Canada, may need to take a trip up there.
 

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michael777 said:
that would be terrible

Yes it is, but I keep reiterating, since October 13, 2006, the world of offshore gambling will forever be different then we have been accustomed to in the past. The reason. "It's The Law". Financial institutions are not going to place themselves at risk of being closed down by the Federal Government for not actively following the law.
 

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Journey, Fedex def allows cash but you can't ensure it...I have send Cash through Fedex hundreds of times for various reasons....never a problem but don't put CASH on the label obviously.
 

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oldmanTED said:
stef:

If you are asking my opinion on bank wires and cashier's checks, I believe they will disappear as a method to fund and I also believe more and more books will drop out of the U.S. market as Pinnacle did and the one's that remain will be marginal and not very secure.
i could see MAYBE Bank Wires being gone, but explain to me how you will not be able to give money to a bank and not get a cashiers check in return? Or a Money Order for that matter...not even a fesible possibility
 

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I m sure you can send cash but why anyone would risk any significant amt of cash in a Fed Ex envelope I don't know...just way too easy for it to be taken...It clearly stated on the envelope do not send cash, not meaning you can't but warning they aren't responsible.
 

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If so how much dough is allowed on a jet to CR? 25D?

Will the book pay my airfare + 10% bonus if i pay cash in person?

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RX Airways here we come!! Fish will be the pilot and the J MAN will be Co Pilot anybody ready to board?
 

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stef said:
I agree that we will probally be losing some more books to the US market. But I also think we will still have some reliable books sticking around and working thru another mess that our government created. Guess that is alot of wishful thinking. Hey I am only 2 hours car time from Canada, may need to take a trip up there.

The reason I believe most of the top teir books will be gone is they don't necessarily rely on the U.S. market for survival. The less stable books have a much greater percentage of reliability on the U.S. market.
 

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Brock Landers said:
i could see MAYBE Bank Wires being gone, but explain to me how you will not be able to give money to a bank and not get a cashiers check in return? Or a Money Order for that matter...not even a fesible possibility

Does the cashier's check or money order have the bank logo on it?
 

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oldmanTED said:
Does the cashier's check or money order have the bank logo on it?
money Order doesn't...Cashier's check may, but its made out to whoever you tell them to make it out to, could be john smith, could be XYZ corp.
 

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Brock Landers said:
money Order doesn't...Cashier's check may, but its made out to whoever you tell them to make it out to, could be john smith, could be XYZ corp.

As I said in my opening remarks, it is easy to have a list of names/companies continually updated for the banks to use before issuing a check. Feds appear very proactive at the moment and fully expect them to assist the banks with information on bank wire and cashier check offshore information. If we can get it with one phone call, so can they. Also, keep in mind, for payouts, all fedex documents have to clear customs and some checks have been stopped in the past already. I expect this to ramp up as well, as the enforcement accelerates.
 

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