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Girl taken off flight for crying too much

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Meet Elly Kulesza, Terror Toddler.

In her finer moments—mainly when she’s on land — 3-year-old Elly is an adorable and sweet-mannered child, a blue-eyed charmer who likes to dance and harbors a particular fondness for Thomas the Tank Engine.

“She’s a typical 3-year-old,” said her mother, Julie Kulesza of 7 Primrose St. in Worcester. “She has her moments like all 3-year-olds, but she’s not like one of those ‘Nanny 911’ children you see on TV.” <TABLE style="CLEAR: right; PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 15px; FLOAT: right; PADDING-BOTTOM: 20px; MARGIN: 20px 10px 20px 15px; PADDING-TOP: 20px; TEXT-ALIGN: right"><TBODY><TR><TD><SCRIPT language=JavaScript><!--var rnd = Math.random() + "";var idn = rnd * 10000000000000000;document.write('<S'+'CR'+'IP'+'T LANGU'+'AGE="JavaScript1.1" SRC="http://adx.telegram.com/apps/adx.dll/src/WT001/largeunitad01/NEWS02?page1/30076309244849210/1008/-/;idn=' + idn + ';Type=1;SL=COLUMN01?"><\/SCRIPT>');//--></SCRIPT><SCRIPT language=JavaScript1.1 src="http://adx.telegram.com/apps/adx.dll/src/WT001/largeunitad01/NEWS02?page1/30076309244849210/1008/-/;idn=5816972373451992;Type=1;SL=COLUMN01?"></SCRIPT><SCRIPT><!-- if ((!document.images && navigator.userAgent.indexOf("Mozilla/2.") >= 0) || navigator.userAgent.indexOf("WebTV")>= 0) { document.write(''); document.write(' '); }//--></SCRIPT><NOSCRIPT></NOSCRIPT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Elly’s dad, Gerald Kulesza, is a full-time EMT in Boston who also attends nursing school full time, and he did so well last semester that Elly’s mom surprised her husband with a trip to Florida to visit his parents, who live in Bonita Springs. So on Jan. 11, the family flew from Logan Airport to Fort Meyers on AirTran Airways, and even though it was Elly’s first plane trip she behaved like a dream and spent most of the flight coloring in her coloring book and watching movies on a portable DVD player.

“She was great,” her mom remembered. “When we made our descent into Florida we could see the water and she shouted, ‘Look, mommy, there’s the beach where we go swimming,’ and everyone laughed.”

Yes, it was a heartwarming moment for all concerned, and the trip was great, too. The family swam and went sightseeing, and on Jan 14 they drove back to the airport for the return trip home. They checked their luggage — a suitcase and a car seat. As they waited for their flight to be called, Elly contentedly munched on a bag of Cheetos and watched out the window as the planes took off and landed.

Then came … The Boarding. Suddenly and without warning, angelic little Elly morphed into every parents’ nightmare.

Her mom thinks it may have been because of the ear surgery Elly underwent earlier this month, and perhaps her memory of the discomfort and ear pressure she endured during the plane’s descent into Florida. For whatever reason, when they got on the plane, Elly started to cry and wouldn’t stop. Nor would she sit down — she plopped herself down on the floor in front of her seat and proceeded to throw a temper tantrum.

“I was trying to console her and the stewardess came over and said, ‘Did you buy that seat for her?’ remembers Ms. Kulesza, 31, who is four months pregnant. “I said yes, and she told me my daughter needs to sit in it. I told her I was trying.”

Moments later, an AirTran Airways employee armed with a walkie-talkie addressed Mr. Kulesza.

“Sir, you need to get her under control,” she said.

“We’re trying,” Mr. Kulesza noted.

The passengers, meanwhile, were quite understanding and one of them offered the toddler a lollipop, which she rejected. Then the walkie-talkie woman returned to the Kuleszas’ aisle and displayed the raw tact and diplomacy of Donald Trump.

“Sir, you need to get off the plane,” she announced.

“What?” a stunned Mr. Kulesza asked. “Are you serious?”

“Sir, you need to get off the plane now.”

They got off the plane, while their luggage and car seat flew on to Boston. In the terminal they were directed to an AirTran supervisor, who told the couple that the stewardess was uncomfortable “because you have an unruly child who struck a woman on board.”

Mr. Kulesza was incredulous. “That was her mother,” he explained. “She hit her on the arm. Lady, this is a 3-year-old child we’re talking about.”

“Sir, we don’t differentiate between 3 and 33,” the AirTran supervisor replied. Mr. Kulesza said the woman proceeded to lecture him about child discipline, and how she would never tolerate her children behaving in such a manner, at which point Mr. Kulesza said, “You really need to stop talking now.”

The couple were also told that, since they had been ejected from the plane, they were banned from flying with AirTran for 24 hours. So they were forced to return to Bonita Springs for the night, and Mr. Kulesza missed a 16-hour work shift, and the next day they returned to the airport and can surely be forgiven if they fed their daughter enough Children’s Benadryl to fell a stallion. I exaggerate, perhaps, but it’s certainly what I would have done. In any case, Elly slept through the return flight home.

The incident has sparked varied responses from those who heard the story. While many people — mostly parents — sympathize with the Kuleszas, others are less inclined. For example, when I related the tale to an unnamed colleague and asked if he had ever heard of an airline bouncing a child from a flight he said, “No, but I’m all for it. Couldn’t they have checked her with the baggage?”

This colleague, as it happens, has no kids.

AirTran, meanwhile, has apparently had a change of heart. After the airline received a phone call Thursday from yours truly, an AirTran customer service rep called the Kuleszas, apologized profusely for the incident and refunded them the $595 cost of their tickets.

“We do believe the situation could have been handled differently,” said AirTran spokeswoman Judy Graham-Weaver. “We will use this case as a means to train our agents on dealing with this type of situation on our flights … While there are FAA regulations that mandate all passengers have to be securely fastened in their seat belts before a plane can depart, we need to work with our customers in situations like this to help them — and that is what we will focus on.”

Ms. Kulesza is appreciative of the response, but believes she could have calmed her daughter down, if given the chance.

“It wasn’t like she had a bomb strapped to her waist,” she noted.

AirTran also extended another offer to the Kuleszas — free airline tickets to the destination of their choosing. The offer has been declined.

“I said I appreciated it, but I told them not to bother,” Ms. Kulesza said. “We won’t ever be flying with that airline again.”

Contact Dianne Williamson by e-mail at dwilliamson@telegram.com
 

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Standard Airport Policy these days. ANything out of the norm, and people expect the worse. These people will cash in on this incident. Look for book deals, tv show interviews & movie deals etc. America ... the land of unlimited opportunity ........ except we won't let you bet online.
 

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As someone who's been stuck on a plane numerous times with screaming, unruly children (and no, your kids are NEVER as cute to me as they are to you) ... giddy up.
 

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I hate kids, they hate me.

They are always getting me in trouble too.

I was at a BBQ at a friends house this summer with 3 other guys on the team. My friends wife also had invited some teachers from her school so there ten of us at the BBQ.

We all sat around talking and drinking after dinner when the women went inside to the kitchen to make frozen drinks. I turned to Steve and said damn your wife's friends are a bunch of two baggers and all the lads had a good giggle.

Couple of minutes later the women came back onto the deck and Steve's 5 year old son walked directly to his mother and said " Mommy whats a two bagger ?"

They were not impressed to say the least.
 

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joeyfitzclick said:
I hate kids, they hate me.

They are always getting me in trouble too.

I was at a BBQ at a friends house this summer with 3 other guys on the team. My friends wife also had invited some teachers from her school so there ten of us at the BBQ.

We all sat around talking and drinking after dinner when the women went inside to the kitchen to make frozen drinks. I turned to Steve and said damn your wife's friends are a bunch of two baggers and all the lads had a good giggle.

Couple of minutes later the women came back onto the deck and Steve's 5 year old son walked directly to his mother and said " Mommy whats a two bagger ?"

They were not impressed to say the least.
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xpanda said:
As someone who's been stuck on a plane numerous times with screaming, unruly children (and no, your kids are NEVER as cute to me as they are to you) ... giddy up.
xpanda, not sure what you mean by "giddy up"? Do you mean like "the parents just gotta make sure their children are manageable?"

I don't want to misunderstand you, but in all honesty, what's wrong with earplugs? I will be first to admit that I may be oblivious to this as I'm practically 100% deaf since birth.. but if I find myself in a situation where someone else is distracting me (visually, evidently) I find solutions to make best of it, including telling the flight attendants the situation, sure.

You just made it sound like "the parent must unequivocally make sure that their child is always QUIET and always in control"...?

As for the article, I agree with one aspect of the regulations... if they require everyone to be fastened in, and it's not being abided by a seat-paying person (a child at least over 2 years old), then they have to address it somehow, up to including requesting the parents to maybe "consider suggesting that they take a later flight while their kid is better --without any charge on their tickets--".

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I can't stand being on a plane with a little kid crying and throwing a fit - I also hate being at a restaurant with wild animal kids - thus, I like this story.
 

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CalvinTy said:
xpanda, not sure what you mean by "giddy up"? Do you mean like "the parents just gotta make sure their children are manageable?"

I don't want to misunderstand you, but in all honesty, what's wrong with earplugs? I will be first to admit that I may be oblivious to this as I'm practically 100% deaf since birth.. but if I find myself in a situation where someone else is distracting me (visually, evidently) I find solutions to make best of it, including telling the flight attendants the situation, sure.

You just made it sound like "the parent must unequivocally make sure that their child is always QUIET and always in control"...?

As for the article, I agree with one aspect of the regulations... if they require everyone to be fastened in, and it's not being abided by a seat-paying person (a child at least over 2 years old), then they have to address it somehow, up to including requesting the parents to maybe "consider suggesting that they take a later flight while their kid is better --without any charge on their tickets--".

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Calvin:

Earplugs can only do so much good when you have a crying child in the near vicinity. This is why I always fly JetBlue. They have free in-flight TV. The sound from the headphones drowns out any unruly child noise. It also drowns out any obnoxious drunk chicks.
 

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Calvin:

Earplugs can only do so much good when you have a crying child in the near vicinity. This is why I always fly JetBlue. They have free in-flight TV. The sound from the headphones drowns out any unruly child noise. It also drowns out any obnoxious drunk chicks.
Understand. It just rubs me off when I see a comment (like in the article; "No, but I’m all for it. Couldn’t they have checked her with the baggage?") thinking that the parents COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING, DUH THEM--- and most of the time, I agree as I have seen parents not paying attention (in food store or on plane) with their kids going all around not in any sense of control...

... but in that situation on the plane where the parents are dumbfounded on what else they could do... (though, that Children's Benadryl idea was a brillidant one to resolve that as it's an unorthodox idea for a serious situation).

Added: I mean, I try to look from their point of view... and I know I'd very concerned and very conscious of my daughter screaming --in pain-- with gawkers looking at me as if I'm a failure at parenting....

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I relate to WC Fields who said " A man who hates dogs and children can't be all bad." But I can understand them on air planes. Every one has to travel occasionally and I feel like crying on them sometimes. What pisses me off is going to a nice restaurant and some couple comes in with a babe in arms crying its ass off. I'm looking at dropping a Benjie on a nice meal and these ass-holes wreck it. The kid would be happier somewhere else and everyone there would be also if he were at McDonald's.
 

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I would have taken the refund AND the free tickets:suomi:
I'm not one to cut off my nose trying to spite my face. If they think they made an impact by dissin their multi-billion dollar airline by refusing- it was just a drop in the bucket, flights will continue to board, business as usual.
 

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Nothing affects my central nervous system more than high-pitched, blood-curddling screams indiscriminately emitted from a little kid. I would pay an airlines a premium if they could put me in a section of the plane with sound proofing from such noise.

Better yet, require all the parents with little screaming kids to sit in a special sound-insolated area of the cabin so the rest of the passengers are not tortured.
 

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Her mom thinks it may have been because of the ear surgery Elly underwent earlier this month, and perhaps her memory of the discomfort and ear pressure she endured during the plane’s descent into Florida.

If this is true you guys are a bunch of arses and obviously have never had this type of thing as a kid. I'm not surprised the kid started yelling. Fair enough that they be removed from the plane but the way the airline handled this was disgusting.
 

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quantumleap said:
Calvin:

Earplugs can only do so much good when you have a crying child in the near vicinity. This is why I always fly JetBlue. They have free in-flight TV. The sound from the headphones drowns out any unruly child noise. It also drowns out any obnoxious drunk chicks.

I fly twice a week and either watch a movie on my laptop or listen to my ipod. I don't care if a kid is screaming or crying... I can't hear shit... Simple fix...

WTF do u expect peps to do??? You think they like it when there kids kirk out in public...
 

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"They got off the plane, while their luggage and car seat flew on to Boston." ...........


ahhhhhhhh I love it when the airlines break FAA rules, passengers and luggage FLY TOGETHER or they dont fly
 

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